Canada is catching up to The United States!

If you’re interested in opposing these camelwrenches, check out http://www.equal-marriage.ca/ .

This is an excellent point, but I think another angle is that homosphobia is based in sexism. People who can’t stomach the idea of loving, committed same-sex couples are operating out of a carved-in-stone belief that men and women have roles, and if those roles are not filled at all times by all people, society will crumble.

When I tell some people that I make choices about who I love based on personality alone and that gender is not a factor, it blows their minds. We put so much emphasis on gender. We couldn’t imagine a world without it. Because the existence of same-sex couples means new configurations of genders, people whose entire reality is dependent on a male-female gender construct freak thefuck out when it is challenged. Wouldn’t you fight tooth-and-nail if the foundation for your value system was being rocked?

Ol’ Ralphie’s not gonna have much of a choice. And anyways, Lloydminster and Swift Current just aren’t that far away. :slight_smile:

Ralph has threatened to invoke the notwithstanding clause on this one. though frankly, I’m a little worried about the guy as he’s starting to go around the bend in public, including trying to intimidate a female member of the opposition in a public hearing.

Gorsnak, I haven’t kept up with the political climate in Saskatchewan - is the gov’t there more accepting of same-sex marriages? (Will couples living in Lloyd have to move to the SK side of the town to get married if SK allows it and AB doesn’t?)

Raygun, I’ve thought Ralph was around the bend for a long time now. His public facade is cracking for sure, but people are still bending over backwards to make excuses for him.

featherlou, I haven’t heard anything, but I assume so, since it’s NDP.

Our buddy Lorne hasn’t said a word on the subject so far as I know, but I’d be really, really surprised if the Saskatchewan government so much as blinked when the legislation eventually comes down. Now, if the Sask Party should ever win an election - and they may, since the election last fall was a veritable tie, and the Ag Minister has since take a leave of absence after coming down with cancer, which means the govt is perpetually one vote from losing a non-confidence motion - then all bets are off. I don’t think the general population here is much more liberal on this particular matter than Alberta’s is, and the people who vote for the Sask Party certainly aren’t.

As to Ralph and the Notwithstanding Clause, I don’t see how it will do him any good. A province can’t Notwithstanding themselves out of federal legislation. At best Alberta can refuse to adminster same-sex marriages (and maybe not even that), but would have to recognize SSM’s entered in other provinces.

I marginally resent that, as I would more than likely be a Sask Party voter if I still lived there.

So, walk me through this, please. :slight_smile:

I said that Sask Party voters are not more liberal on the matter of same-sex marriage than the general population of Alberta is. Now, since you’re apparently part of the general population of Alberta, are you trying to tell me that you resent being told that if you were still here and voting for the Sask Party that you wouldn’t thereby become more liberal on the matter of same-sex marriage? I’m just askin, is all. :slight_smile:

And really, I don’t think it’s remotely contraversial to say that Sask Party voters as a block are going to be less sympathetic towards same-sex marriage than NDP voters are, nor to suggest that Saskatchewan in general isn’t ahead of Alberta here - we just happen to vote for pinko commies for fiscal reasons.

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So, walk me through this, please. :slight_smile:

I said that Sask Party voters are not more liberal on the matter of same-sex marriage than the general population of Alberta is. Now, since you’re apparently part of the general population of Alberta, are you trying to tell me that you resent being told that if you were still here and voting for the Sask Party that you wouldn’t thereby become more liberal on the matter of same-sex marriage? I’m just askin, is all. :slight_smile:

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Well just sayin’, not all Sask Party voters are gay-bashing trogodytes (which I know, strictly speaking, you didn’t say they are). If Ralph Klein keeps up this nonsense I won’t be able to vote Conservative in good conscience in the next Alberta election (for a myriad of reasons really) but I’m unaware of similar reasons to not support the Sask Party (if you have a quote, by all means share it). I just don’t see them as the ‘anti-gay marriage’ party.

No, I agree. And I didn’t say they were an anti-gay marriage party. I don’t know that they even have an official position on it (a quick visit to their website reveals not a single mention of the issue) - all I said was that bets were off if they gained power. After all, they idolize everything else Klein does, so it certainly wouldn’t shock me to see them oppose gay marriage if they were suddenly in a position to do so, and felt they could make a little political hay out of the issue. I should say, though, that Brad Wall’s been trying to shift the party to a more moderate stance since the election loss, so it also wouldn’t shock me to see them defer to the feds without raising a fuss.

All that said, though, I’m pretty sure polls show Saskatchewan and Alberta consistently tied for last place in the country in terms of gay-friendliness, and therefore the extent to which the Sask govt is more gay-friendly than Alberta’s is due to differences between the provinces on other issues, which was (I think) the point I was initially trying (perhaps badly) to make.

Nothing’s what I’ve gotten so far, though I can’t say I’m totally surprised. It makes more journalistic sense to print a letter from an expat than from someone who might someday be nobody in particular in Canada.

They do know that Klein is dismantling healthcare and education in Alberta, right?

But everything’s better in Alberta! You live there, you should know. :stuck_out_tongue: And have the population of Calgary comes from Saskatchewan.

Seriously, they seem to think that if Saskatchewan emulated Albertan fiscal policy we’d have the same economic boom that Alberta’s having. Of course, this completely ignores that Saskatchewan must maintain a lot more physical infrastructure per capita, and that in Alberta they pump money out of the ground, which means that if we run things the way Alberta does we’ll either have no roads whatsoever, or a giant deficit. But what do I know? I’m one of those pinko commies who votes for the NDP.

Half. That’s what I meant. Half the population.

Save your air fare. Holland is a good candidate to become the first Islamic country in Western Europe, so if anti-gay prejudice bugs you that much you’d probably just have to come back eventually.

Funny you should say that - you know I’m from Saskatchewan, right? :smiley:

Holland might become Islamic? I did not know that.

Click on the link in the OP, scroll down, and bob’s your uncle.

Congrats!

Proof!

From letters responding to the article:

Sounds like this letter writer would have no problem with two gay men raising boys and a lesbian couple raising girls, because they’d be getting like, twice the instruction on how to grow up. They’d be super babies!