Canadian 'dopers, Freedom Convoy?

What’s mind boggling about employing an effective tactic that the state implicitly tolerates? It’s been demonstrated in the past few decades that once a protest reaches a certain mass law enforcement and local politicians are relatively impotent. Additionally, clamoring for law and order from the group that is completely willing to ignore law and order when it is politically expedient always sounds disingenuous.

What’s happening is that the faith in the legitimacy of governing institutions has been eroded because of selective enforcement. Same thing has happened with trust in other institutions such as health and the media. All of this was predicted to be the inevitable outcome of obvious ideological bias.

Now, the solution is obvious but at this point it will be damn near impossible to enact.

The mind-boggling part are the two quotes. Both people show a complete disregard for others and only care about the fact that Ottawa residents are preventing them (Ashley Lapierre and Jordan Johnson and presumably their ilk) from partying hardy in downtown Ottawa.

It would be like me and a bunch of buds disappointed that Jordan Johnson wouldn’t want us drinking, smoking and puking in his living room.

Btw, you don’t seem to understand that, just because you have a loud, obnoxious group of people and big trucks, you can’t simply get what you want, at the expense of the majority.

I understand perfectly. I also seem to think it’s karma. At some point the hypocrisy has to be recognized and rejected. Consistency in the application of principles needs to be utilized even at the expense of a perceived short term gain in an ideological struggle.

Trudeau was a supporter of the exact same sort of protests when it was inconveniencing India and he knelt with the Marxist BLM when it was politically convenient. Yet now he is concerned with law and order? Lol.

Well a big part of the thing is that the powers that be aren’t at all concerned with law and order.

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

The really frustrating thing is that the group on Wellington and the group at Coventry could easily have been “kettled” with nothing being allowed in. And once they get tired of not eating or having fuel to generate electricity for their hot tubs and bouncy castles, you release them into waiting law enforcement vehicles and confiscate their materiel.

Selective indeed. Protest at a remote logging site to prevent 700 year old growth trees from being cut by multinational corporations and shipped overseas? You’ll get arrested and hauled away so fast your head will spin.

Indigenous people protest a pipeline coming through their unceded territory in a remote northern community? Boom, court injunction and arrests.

You bet your ass the enforcement is selective.

Cite or retract.

You’re giving him a layup.

I am given to understand that the term “Marxist” now means “A thing I do not understand”

Oh, I just want him to flap his gums and try to justify it with his “geometric logic”/“it’s self-evident”/“there was a duplicate key, my officers were disloyal” balloon juice. I just use the chuckles.

No, that’s ‘hive mind’.

I was out to the pub for the Super Bowl last night, and even in a crowd that tends more conservative than me, everyone who said anything about the truckers wanted them gone, and thought the Ottawa police were utterly useless.

When this is all over, the police and city government are going to be in some serious trouble. Even the Ontario Provincial Police aren’t looking too good here. I could see a lot of people supporting hiring the RCMP to take over Ottawa policing for a decade or so, long enough to make it hard for existing Ottawa cops to sit out a layoff and be re-hired. We need to rebuild the Ottawa police from the ground up.

I think Conservatives should stop bandying about words like “Socialism,” “Marxism,” and “Communism” for the same reason that we don’t let children run around waving loaded handguns.

Here are some more of the lovely people who are participating in this nonsense: the term “terrorist” is looking more and more apt.

Mounties said they executed a search warrant early Monday morning on three trailers associated with the group, finding 13 long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armour, a machete, a large quantity of ammunition and high capacity magazines. Following the search, they arrested 11 people.

“The group was said to have a willingness to use force against the police if any attempts were made to disrupt the blockade,” said the Alberta RCMP in a media release.

And it looks like we’ll soon know more about who is funding these scumbags. I wonder how many of the funders are from other countries.

Support is diminishing across the board except for the right, and even there it is deteriorating. I hope the CPC continues to back the convoy. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

True. But pointing out that politicians and others call for ignoring law on one hand and then claim that one shouldn’t violate the law on the other is not advocating for a foolish form of consistency.

One of the guys I know owns a laundromat in Vanier, and was telling me about convoyers coming in to do their laundry. The older guys he thinks are probably real working truckers are respectful, and just want to do their laundry, but he says the younger guys go out of their way to get into confrontations, and look like they just want to get into a fight.

Unfortunately, a lot of people who live in the area rely on this place for their laundry, so he can’t just shut down without screwing these people, but he’s not at all impressed with most of the convoyers.