Yes. The fascists, proud boys and Trudeau haters have spun a web of lies. They portray this as a Good Old Boy blue collar trucker protest when it is no such thing.
They have sucked many people in with their bullshit, so don’t go telling me that they have “support “ when this support is based on absolute crap.
I can make a poll that says “do you support me saving kittens?” And then use that to justify stealing money from widows for my fake kitten adoption scam.
More polls show a much lower amount of support.
Yes, and justifiably so. They should have been cleared out long ago. How putting auto plant workers out of a job helps anything I do not understand.
Yes, that’s true, but a third is not “Fringe.” It’s not, as has been claimed, comparable to PPC support; it’s actually about the same as the percentage of people who voted for the current government. I’
m interested in facts, not bullshit, so let’s deal with FACTS.
Protests are not “not accepting democracy.” That’s just ridiculous. They are a fundamental part of a democracy.
I’ll ask the same thing in reverse that I’ve asked protest supporters; if the protest was, say, First Nations people and their supporters protesting the treatment of aboriginal people, and they enjoyed substantial popular support but less than 50%, would you have exactly the same opinion? Would you dismiss them as “Not accepting democracy”?
Polling is an inexact science.
“Are you frustrated with Covid and the length of time restrictions have been in place, as the truckers are? Do you sympathize?”
“Do you agree with the truckers government has sometimes been inconsistent with Covid policy?”
“Do you support truckers exercising their legal right to peacefully protest?”
“Do you support disrupting Canadian business using means contrary to Canadian law?”
“Do you support foreign nations and extreme political groups funding disruption of the Canadian economy under the aegis of a truckers protest?”
These might yield very different polling results.
Yes, exactly.
What now? They should be treated like any other person defying a court injunction. Police move in, make arrests, court date and fines. Normally they will be required to sign a legal document saying they will obey the injunction. If the return, bang into jail they go. Rigs can be dragged/scraped away. Insurance and licences may be revoked.
This is a normal occurrence in dealing with protesters. The only difference here is that they are not raging grannies, indigenous people or idealistic youth. Let’s see if there is one law for all.
And authorities should also follow the money.
I wonder if, when they follow the money across the border, they’ll be stymied by a “money is free speech” defense.
The current us government might be persuaded by the “please don’t fund terrorism in your allies country “ argument.
Not only is that support sinking fast, the polling did not ask, “Do you support the shutdown of a major city, as well as international trade putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk?”
You can be supportive of a cause, but not support the methods used by those pushing for it. I have some support for cause of Middle Easterners to not be fucked with by our government, but that doesn’t mean that I support the actions of the 9/11 hijackers. In fact, their actions makes me lose quite a bit of sympathy for their cause.
How much economic damage do you think is acceptable in supporting their cause of promoting COVID?
This is more than a protest when they are shutting down an entire city, as well as international trade.
A protest is when you want to be heard, what they want is their demands to be met. That’s not democracy.
Oh, only those with overwhelming support should be able to as Trudeau says himself be able to have a right to demonstrate peacefully?
Trudeau had said, “I would be remiss if I didn’t start also by recognizing the news coming out of India about the protests by farmers. The situation is concerning. And we all are very worried about family and friends; I know that’s a reality for many of you. Let me remind you.”
He further claimed, “Canada will always be ready to defend the right to peaceful protest. We believe in the importance of dialogue and that’s why we reached out to multiple means directly to Indian authorities to highlight our concerns.”
This was despite the fact that the anti-farm law protestors had caused economic loss to the tune of ₹70000 crores. According to the PHD Chamber of Commerce and Industry (PHDCCI), the huge economic loss was caused in the December quarter of 2020 due to disruptions in the supply chains particularly in the states of Punjab and Haryana and the bordering areas of the national capital.
Seems he was a foreigner meddling in another nation’s internal affairs. The hypocrisy is what kills me and has a much bigger impact on the general public than you think.
Of course they have a right to protest peacefully. Nobody’s disputing that (except for maybe some fringe right-wingers). A protest that causes billions of dollars in damages, however, is not “peaceful”.
And it’s not as if there are small number of bad actors taking advantage of the confusion and distraction of the protest to cause problems, the protest itself is specifically designed to cause problems.
Sure, and I wholeheartedly agree. But it’s not a fringe movement, and indeed even support for the continued occupation/blockade is well above fringe levels. Agree or not, those are facts.
Next to none. You are erroneously interpreting my points to think I support this protest. I do not and have never said I did. However, this being lied about, a lot. The following things are all lies:
Sometimes living in a democracy means accepting that people who you disagree with are not, in fact, evil terrorists, and might actually have some popular support.
As Sir Humphrey demonstrated to Bernard on Yes Prime Minister
They will always have ‘some’ support. But we just had an election and their ideals did NOT carry the day. You can’t force a ‘do over’ because you still want it your way and you have a big truck.
Demanding your way after voters have chosen the other path IS anti democratic. Bringing your own children as human shields is beneath contempt.
Canadian’s can see these folks for who they truly are, that’s why their support drops daily.
If this was a First Nations blockade they’d have been violently removed in the first week. By the hypothetical is nonsense. First Nations people would never do this.
Paralyzingly a major border crossing, a capital, and the country’s largest city? All at once? I’m sorry but how is this NOT bordering on terrorism? If a foreign entity did this, that’s exactly what we’d be calling it.
I tried to find any sort of up to date polls asking if people supported the continued blockade of the city and of international ports of entry, and I didn’t see much. Do you have one?
What percent of the country do you think should be in support if we decided to starve out say Chicago?
No, I am reading and responding to your defense of this blockade. If you defend these actions, then how much economic damage are you willing to tolerate before you no longer defend it?
Well, apparently 41% of Americans believe in UFO’s, so I don’t know if fringe has any meaning anymore. But I’d still like to see a cite that more than a small minority support the blockades.
They are economic terrorists. They are shutting down the economic activity of an entire city, and doing their best to shut down the economic activity of an entire country, in order to get their demands met.
I haven’t seen this claim, really. I’ve seen it claimed that the organizers are rooted in white supremacy, but if you are going to call this out as a lie, then you are going to need to actually point to those who have made the claim that every single person participating in the blockades is a white supremacists. Otherwise, your point 3 is pure strawman, or as you say, “bullshit.”
Right, and that’s what these people participating in the blockade are not willing to accept. They are in the minority, didn’t get their way at the ballot boxes, and are now trying to extort the country into giving into their demands.
What was the most that the First Nations did? They blocked a train track that was directly related to their grievances. And yes, they were not allowed to continue that protest as long as this has gone on. Anyone who compares this attempted shutdown of the economy of an entire country to their protest is being entirely disingenuous.
It isn’t bullshit. The organizers are definitely 100% alt-right white nationalists. Is every trucker a fascist?No, of course not, but the ones who are not or at not okay with standing with fascists should have gone home. Everybody that is left should know with whom they are standing, so it is reasonable to assume they’re ok with representing alt-right white nationalism. That makes them collaborators. And that’s not ok. So there is a tremendous difference. On one side, you have people howling communism because they don’t know what communism is, but they’ve been told that the left is communist and they’re too ignorant and lazy to know the difference. And on the other side, you have a significant number of literal fascists. Jebus, the Republican party (which drives a lot of the right-wing in Canada, see Trump 2024 signs by Canadians, and MAGA hats worn by the interim leader of the CPC), are quite a far way down the fascism path. They are openly hostile to democracy and it is spreading to our right wing.
I’m also slightly disappointed the truckers did not try to revive the hit song “Convoy”. I mean, why else would you buy a Mister Microphone? Do they know nothing of The Simpsons?
So the claim they’re all white supermacists is, in fact, bullshit.
As to the guilt by association thing, come on. I will again pose this point; if a few people, even an organizer, espouses offensive beliefs at a BLM rally, or a rally for indigenous rights, does that mean the people there with more reasonable demands are all guilty of thse beliefs by association? Personally I say not. If a genuinely sizable amount of the people there espouse odious things that would be one thing, but a handful? I don’t think all, or even very many, BLM protesters are communists just because some of BLM;'s founders are. That would be horseshit. It has to go both ways.
If you want to characterize everyone with a differing political opinion as evil I can’t stop you, but that is not a serious way to look at politics.
Residents of Caledonia might disagree, but I will ask again; what if they did? Exactly the same thing. Would you have the same opinion?