Overall, I agree, but its not a lock. The Liberals get away with more seats then they should, all due to fptp. I also understand that the provincial representational calculus is a thing that will need to endure with any new system, but I still think there is a lot of value with pr.
I honestly would take any pr system to avoid vote share / seat count drift. I ideologically consider it a time bomb and possible damaging to democracy.
Side note: I should also note how disgusted I was for the recent Ontario vote.
Party - seat count - vote share
PC - 80 - 43%
NDP - 27 - 18.6%
Liberal - 14 - 29.9%
Uggg, I can’t understand why the voting public sticks with this outdated system. (Although as RJ puts it, I DO understand why the LPC sticks with it)
Nah you expressed it good, for some reason it wasn’t clicking in my head.
A little history. Carnet was head of the Bank of Canada at the time of the 2008 recession. He did his job well enough that Stephen Harper, Conservative PM at the time, offerred him the Ministry of Finance. He turned it down and went to England instead. Now the very same Stephen Harper (the man who chose a creationist as science minister) is claiming that Carney had nothing to do with the recovery from 2008. Dirty rotten hypocrite.
Interesting how much the endorsement by Donald Trump has caused Peter Rabbitskin’s popularity to sink.
The CBC Interactive Poll (broken down by provinces) and daily Economist Interactive poll show a seven point lead for PP. But that might not include the effect of electing Carney.
I see Lutnick is whining that Canada is like Ukraine and is not thanking America enough. I wonder if Lutnick thanked Iris Cantor or the families of his employees who died in 9/11 before he cut off their paycheques.
Wow, apparently Lutnick is almost as bad as ex-con Peter Navarro, who ridiculed Canada’s role in assisting our then-allies in Afghanistan and the sacrifices we made there to fight alongside those who we thought were our friends and allies.
America is in decline, its role and influence in the world is in decline, and at this point I’m cheering on the decline. Once friends, and a shining example of international harmony and an undefended border, they’re now a hostile nation seething with aggression, reminiscent of late 1930s Germany.
The difference between the US today and 1930s Germany is that the grievances of the latter were a combination of real things (post-war reparations after WW I) and imaginary ones (Jews and non-Aryan “others”). The current hostilities of the US against immigrants, its own non-white residents, and former allies, are entirely based on lies.
The LIBERALS run candidates in every election, too, as do the CPC, but in the last few elections the Liberals were overrepresented, the CPC evenly represented. The electoral map simply favors the Liberals (or has recently) in terms of the arrangement of votes, the way the electoral college favors the Republicans in the USA.
Mind you, my observations should not be taken as saying this system is wrong. It’s not wrong or right, it’s just how it’s done. It has pros and cons. There isn’t any way of electing Parliament that would be perfect.
Called it. Charest wouldn’t join the Liberals, he’s eyeing Tory leadership once they turn on PP (he’s been publicly floating a leadership run for the past ten years, he’s not going to throw out the towel now).
Charest can even say, “Carney; you, yourself, tried to court me for your cabinet” It’d be high-caliber Liberal attack ad armour. However the Tories will reject Charest again. They are very hostile to non-populists… or well everyone. They are very cutthroat.
I used to like Charest, but the fact that he can’t see this is killing me. Every chance the Conservatives have had to moderate their message over the last ten years or so, they’ve just pushed harder right. The people running the party and voting for the leader are all committed to this process. I can’t see it changing any time soon, certainly not soon enough for Charest to have a shot. The guy is ten years older than me already, and it will be at least another ten years before the Conservatives get their shit together enough for a guy like him to have a shot.
if PR was done by province it would make very little difference to the CPC, or would have made little difference in 2021, 2019, or 2015. I did the math.
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The now forgotten Erin O’Toole - honestly I’m not sure I’d recognize the guy if I bumped into him - wasn’t “Hard right.” Being rightward of the Liberal Party isn’t “hard right.”
Poor Erin. Why did they make him leader? He’s a year younger than me and somehow looks fifteen years older and eighty percent more boring.
Poilevre’s populist crap is a consequence of social media. A lot of the right wing populism in the Western world is. Social media’s a cancer.
I disagree; I don’t see of what benefit it is. Bluesky may not be infected by Trumpism yet, but so what? A limited number of people agreeing on actual facts (well, more so than Twitter) accomplishes what? It’s like Philadelphia Eagles fans in a bar in Philadelphia all agreeing the Eagles are great. That doesn’t mean anyone anywhere else is listening.
32 million adults some of which are very high profile citizens of a number of countries carries clout regardless of your opinion.
That’s a larger number than all of Canada of Canada’s elegible voters.
Just because you cannot see means nothing to me.
