The CPC is not the same as the CPC (Marxist-Leninist) party, which is called the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada on ballots
Here is CBCs interactive poll.
Although I have sympathy for selected libertarian ideas, they must be modified by what scientists know about Covid and the necessary level of sinlessness required before throwing stones.
In high school they brought all the fringe guys in. If I remember correctly: Communist, Workers Communist, Libertarian, and Rhino. I liked the Rhino guy the most.
One promise of the Rhino party was to switch from driving on the right to driving on the left. This would be phased in gradually, with trucks switching in the first year
I liked when they wanted to move the Rockies to Ontario so we could have good downhill skiing here.
And when they promised to repeal the law of gravity.
Exactly how long is this nonsense going to go on? I still remember when, allegedly, the Stephen Harper wink wink nudge nudge platform was the same thing; abortion would be illegal, capital punishment brought back, so on and so forth. And in nine years none of the wink wink nudge nudge platform happened, because all the talk of it was bullshit.
I honestly don’t know what this means. What violence? All violence? Huh?
To be clear, I’m not the inverse of “I hate Trudeau and so should you” but for the CPoC. I voted for Harper twice because with him in control I felt confident that it was bullshit. But lately, that has been less clear.
Where are the anti-climate change people? Right wing.
Where are the anti-vaxxers (at least wrt COVID)? Right wing.
Where are the social regressives? Right wing.
Where are the political crazies (pro-Trump, “lock him him”, etc.)? Right wing. The left has their crazies (get rid of fiat currency, etc.) for sure but the more left parties don’t really pay even any lip service to them in any appreciable way, and that’s the difference in my mind. I would love for O’Toole to come out and say “Look, if you’re an anti-vaxxer, I don’t want your vote. Go vote for Bernier and f*ck off.” I know he cannot, but I would love it (and I’d probably vote for him).
Now some of them have left the CPoC and gone to the PPC, and I personally think that’s a good thing. Let the crazies go become a fringe party, and let the CPoC be rid of them and so not beholden to them, But as somebody who has voted PC more often than Liberal, the current state of the CPoC is not something I can support because I do not know what they really stand for.
The big thing for me is climate change. I cannot vote for any party that isn’t at least somewhat serious about climate change. While the Liberal record has been pretty bad, the CPoC will only contribute to setting the world on fire (not literally). When the CPoC gets serious about climate change I can potentially vote for them. That’s what turned me away from Harper. That and the “old stock Canadians” thing. I didn’t like it and the reality is Canada needs immigrants. Lots of them. Lots and lots and lots of them, because an immigrant today is tomorrow’s tax payer.
Also, the pro-Trumps and anti-vaxxers have to go but this is, of course, more recent.
I thought the plank in the Rhino platform was to level the Rockies so that Canadians could really “coast to coast.” Or maybe that was a punchline on the Air Farce, my memory may be muddled there.
Which is a dilemma for the Conservatives. To win they need the large center right vote that moves between Liberal and Conservatives yet the pugnacious part of the base “Turd-eau sucks” makes it less likely to gain their support. Which means the asshole contingent gets a tighter grip on the party. A crab bucket of conservatives. Winning, though undermines the hard core and makes the type of conservative party I would like to see more possible.
Of course being denied power powers a martyr complex about how everyone (elites, media, Polkaroo etc.) are out to disparage them and keep them down. I honestly think a lot of political bases are like that. Some NDPer I think actually enjoy the role of “progressive scold” just like some Conservatives enjoy reveling in some sort of tribal purity that the actual business of governing would never allow.
Given the Conservative (and Liberal) commitment to fossil fuel production, they are literally committed to setting the world on fire!
If the Polkaroo party was a thing, it would be polling high enough to be in the debates.
Gah! I had a perfect Polkaroo picture (with flag) but I can’t embed it here.
@Kropotkin I did ask some questions to the candidate that came by about decarbonizing power in the Maritimes (Would the federal government expand funding linking Musk Rat Falls to Nova Scotia?) and Alberta (What about funding a nuclear plant in Alberta or scaling up geothermal plants?") but they had no real answer. Likely because, at least here, all the candidates are talking as if they’re running to be MPPs.
Even Libertarians should understand that unvaccinated people are basically swinging their fists in other’s faces, and therefore violating to some extent their non-initiation of violence rule.
Seriously, pandemics and communicable diseases have always been exceptions to the libertarian notion of personal freedom, just as are externalities like pollution. Unfortunately, like everyone else libertarians have gone nutty in recent years.
That’s what concerns me. It feels like there’s been more MPs/candidates in the CPoC lately that I just don’t get at all. For examples, the ones like Derek Sloan Maxime Bernier (he came awfully close, too close, to being the party leader), Leslyn Lewis, and Candice Bergen. There was another one who was awful during the Scheer run but I cannot remember her name.
And again, I can see O’Toole is trying. Whether he’s sincere or not I don’t know. But he tried to get the party to agree to the importance of climate change, but was downvoted. And I hand to him for representing the party as it is, and not tyranically imposing climate change on them (although he should). Does that make sense?
Like, I don’t mind O’Toole. He’s much closer to someone I could vote for than Scheer. But still a leap too far for me. I hope he keeps trying to clean up the party, but if he loses this election, he’s unlikely to remain leader.
What is the general opinion on an Liberal + NDP coalition gov’t?
Would you support that?
Would it be a good thing or a bad thing?
I would support it, and I think it would probably be a good gov’t. It is more or less what we had before the election, but if it were more formal we would not have the NDP as just supporting the Liberals but presumably have key people in minister positions, e.g. Singh as Deputy PM.
I’ve always been open to the possibility of coalition governments. I know a lot of people rant about how they’re “undemocratic” because it means the party with the most seats, but not a majority, doesn’t form the government, but that argument doesn’t hold water. Coalition governments are a built-in option for parliamentary systems, and if a leader can put together a colalition that is willing to support them in the house, then that leader should have a shot at running things.
If the coalition is really so weak that it shouldn’t actually form the government, then it will soon fall apart, and the party with the biggest plurality can take a shot at forming a government. But I don’t expect that would happen here, I think both the Liberals and NDP would make an honest effort at really governing.
Most assuredly. That’s why I cannot understand why Trudeau didn’t bring in approval (or ranked choice) voting. I would most happily vote for both the Liberals and the NDP, the latter ranked first. In my riding, the incumbent Liberal doesn’t even have to campaign (although he is). It has been Liberal since it was the elder Trudeau’s and likely beyond, but I moved here in 1968 so I don’t know.
Which is why I think the GG should have asked O’Toole if he could form a government when Trudeau asked to have parliament dissolved. You don’t want to govern? Then I’ll ask the next guy. Imagine if the current conservative worker proposals had been floated to the NDP for support. Weak beer compared to what a full throated NDP proposal would have been but nothing terrible they couldn’t support as a step in the right direction. I mean likely to never happen, but I enjoy imagining the subsequent hilarity.