Speaking of :smack:, I never thought about going the other way with it. In which case we wind up in Berlin, which is a little more populated. :smack::smack:
He’s probably working on a 100-page rebuttal to the arguments raised in this thread.
Because, ya know, this cure is too important to be evaluated objectively.
(And I know that was one of the issues, but nothing seemed to sink in.)
And this is post #420 in the thread… deep, man…
Careful, or it will become another one of his proofs for the effectiveness.
JKander’s philosophy is kind of like a cross between Nietsche and homeopathy.
The more devastatingly his arguments are blown apart, the more feeble they appear - but that only makes them stronger!
When the Cannabis Oil Miracle doesn’t pan out, he can always self-publish self-help books. 
More like ‘The less you stare into the Abyss, the stronger it stares back into you’… <toke, hold, keep holding… exhale> then 
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I just checked his profile and got this:
That was EST, but he doesseem to have a tendency to check at about 4:20, by somebody’s time.
He’s probably looking for an excuse for {<toke, hold, keep holding… exhale> then }
Wanker. … <toke, hold, keep holding… exhale>
This does not promote discussion. Take this sort of snark to The BBQ Pit.
[ /Moderating ]
I really cannot believe I just read this entire thread. And many of the links.
Here’s what I learned:
“Homeopathic Nietzsche” is my new band name.
God isn’t dead, he’s just been diluted to one part per billion?
Making him…how many times MORE omnipotent?
Zoinks! This is me stealing these lines for myself!
JKander,
Boy I wish I had of seen this thread earlier, I could have saved you a lot of typing. You would think that with the amount of intelligence here that there would be more support and debate, but none of them will open their minds and think of the possibilities. I am a licensed user here in Canada and to be honest cannabis has given me my life back. I suffered long and hard after being electrocuted at work with a brain injury, chronic pain, PTSD, anxiety and depression. I tried cannabis when I was 15 and didn’t like it so I stayed away for most of my life, until I was in my forties and it was discussed with my doctors as a possible tool in managing my symptoms. I did a hell of a lot of research before even considering it, including “anecdotal” evidence from my wife. My wife suffered from chronic pain caused by “post traumatic cervical dystonia”, a neurological condition caused by a whiplash like injury. After years of the mainstream treatments including high end pain meds and three to four vials of Botox every three months to try to control the pain they left her almost unable to function. At the time we had two small children and she had a very hard time trying to look after them and take care of things around the house. After seeing all the local pain management specialists, she was sent to see the head doctor of the pain clinic for the province who after many tests and evaluations suggested that she may be a good candidate for a medical marijuana trial. I would like to add that she had never smoked marijuana or took any other illegal drugs in her life. Within a week after starting her cannabis regime she was functioning at a much higher level, being able to clean around the house, cook food and take care of the kids with much greater ease. Her sleeping patterns were much better, her diet improved and her pain became better manageable. The difference in my eyes were nothing short of miraculous. Over the course of the last five years she has completely changed. She no longer takes the Botox and this summer she started running 5K a day. Anecdotal, yes, but this is my reality. Is she 100%, no, is she way better than what she was, absolutely. ow back to me. I spent almost every day going to the emergency room with panic attacks, and I mean literally just about every day, sometimes multiple times a day. They tried to give me benzodiapines to calm me down and they made my anxiety and panic worse. I ahd to deal with the effects of PTSD and chronic pain. My wife urged me to try cannabis and after a lot of research and soul searching I decided to give it a try. Without going into too much detail to keep this short, over the last two years I have been able to begin to rebuild my life. Sure I still have a lot of issues to sort out but I’m back playing hockey four to five times a week, and last year was my best year playing in a long time, I ran with her in the summer, I’m back playing music, I can go outside and participate with my family again, I can take on projects around the house without getting completely overwhelmed, I am back to the gym, I can socialize with my friends again, the list goes on and on. Is this anecdotal, yes, but I have some of my life back and I personally think I owe it to the cannabis.
Last year I posted a link to the Phoenix Tears website and got beat down just like you did, I am glad you kept you head and offered your knowledge in the manner you did, but here it is only going to fall on deaf ears. They don’t want to accept the fact that a simple plant may be able to change someone’s life for the better and that’s fine, but until they are willing to open their minds to the possibility you are wasting you time. Just for the record I am not posting this to argue with any of you, I have been here long enough to know where you stand and I am not going to try to change your minds, I just wanted him to know that there are some people on the “Dope”, pun intended I suppose, that do support you and further studies into your claims.
While we are on the subject what do you think about Health Canada’s proposed changes to the act? I saw a lot of people complaining about the letters that Health Canada sent out in the last few days stating a severe breach of privacy with regards to the info that was on the envelope itself. I have not received one yet, but I am sure it is coming.
The problem is not the potential of marijuana as a medication. It’s the fact the OP was declaring it as a miracle drug for everything.
He was refusing to see the need for proper trials and tells people to stop chemo and smoke/oil up despite the fact that some of his pet cases also used chemo (which he concealed) and that some have died despite using cannabis. He touts it as a sure fire cure when it’s not.
Due to the way cannabis works in the body, I do see the potential for such things as seizure control, pain control and possibly even some psychiatric conditions.
however, there are very well known negative side effects that can’t be ignored(which he did, he claimed cannabis is without side effects).
Herbal preparations are well known to have vastly different amounts of the active substance(s).
The substances in cannabis that are proven to be of benefit need to be isolated and purified to ensure a controlled dose.
Way to completely misrepresent what everyone in the thread said. I didn’t think it could be done but you managed to miss the point entirely without even one spec of factual review of what was posted.
ETA: sorry - that was in response to JFLuvly
Thank you for the anecdote.
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I’m not going to argue, been there, done that. It’s my belief that he may be on to something and I have followed the Rick Simpson story in the past because when this first started it made a lot of headlines in the local media. I understand that it does not meet the 'Dopes" scientific criteria, but it has to start somewhere. It seems to be very difficult to study a medicine that a) the pharmaceutical business has no desire to look into, and b) is a highly controlled substance. Because of this we are left with a minimum of peer reviewed studies and a maximum of anecdotes. I don’t think that it’s a cure for everything, but it does help a lot of people with a variety of illnesses, anecdotaly of course. whether you agree or not I really see no reason for this to be labeled as a class 1 narcotic, putting it up there with cocaine and heroin other than “reefer madness” and old wives tales. Alcohol and tobacco are way more dangerous than cannabis and for that matter, if my information is correct, aspirin and peanuts.
Then let me clarify for you the fact that no one in this thread has argued that there is no potential in cannabis.
There may very well be, you could be right, but it hasn’t been proven. See the difference?
JKander is in marketing. What is your area of expertise when it comes to this possible medical solution?
:dubious:
I don’t know a single person here who came in here with anything less than an open mind on the subject. Most people here were willing to listen to JKander’s case, and many were willing to entertain the idea. But having an open mind by no means ensures any sort of acceptance of ideas without adequate proof. And JKander offered no such proof. We made it clear multiple times throughout the thread not only what this proof was, but why what he provided was meaningless and insufficient. And he never listened. The only person in this thread I could spot with a closed mind was JKander - in fact, he said as much himself multiple times very clearly and pointedly!
So it starts out as worthless, but beyond that, you offer no evidence that what you say is true to begin with. Lovely. How in the world do you expect to change anyone’s mind when the full extent of your evidence is “Considerably less than the evidence for the Burzynski Clinic and slightly more than the evidence for MMS”?
With good reason - Rick Simpson is a fucking crazy person, and any site which unabashedly claims that cannabis oil is a fountain of youth belongs in the purview of Scopie’s law.
I’d love to accept it. But barring solid evidence, I’m not going to accept any incredible claim whatsoever. And nobody is going to get far here by saying that the scientific method is “holding us back”, and that clinical trials are pointless and irresponsible. No, they are entirely necessary, and if you don’t get that, you need to do a little more research into the history of medicine.
Yes. People like me. Well, at least supporting further studies. But jumping the gun like this is ludicrous. Because as stated previously: without these studies, neither you nor I can actually know whether or not these drugs work. And to claim to know without any such data implies that you have no understanding of science-based medicine.