Cannabis Extracts for the Primary Treatment of Cancer, Epilepsy, and More

That sentence tells everyone that anything else you say can be ignored. Go away.

BCP : I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry at this.
Undoubtedly one of my finest moments on the Dope to date! :slight_smile:

One thing to realize is the article I linked to is a review, so they looked at original research papers and summarized the findings.

Your report is a review of sorts, but did you present conflicting or negative evidence?

You’ve referred to McAllister and his work. Here is how some of it was cited in the review article and is one example why the authors stated the research is conflicting:

So, does treatment with ∆9-THC cause MDA-MB-231 cells to grow or not?

(And decreased proliferation is not the same as causing cell death).

I’m not sure of the causes or reasoning behind the supposed pro-proliferative effects of cannabinoids. I have a theory though. In the above quote, it says “results are not clear-cut as to whether delta-9-THC causes pro- or antiproliferative effects in breast cancer cells.” First, CBD has shown much more promise in breast cancer than THC. Second of all, the effectiveness of cannabis extracts comes from the synergy of the different cannabinoids. I would imagine that in some cases THC could potentially increase cancer growth, but when combined with the other cannabinoids, inhibits it. The science is extremely complex and in my report I only address the overarching themes and trends, because the exact pathways of how this stuff works is something only scientists can understand.

As to the subject of truth, there is truth that exists. Like I said, pain is truth. That’s not a belief - you don’t really really really believe in pain. You know it. And as certainly as you know that if you were touched with a hot iron you would be in agonizing pain, I know that cannabis extracts work against cancer and other diseases. It’s not a belief, it’s truth.

But I also understand from an objective point how crazy that sounds. Every proponent of every quack cure probably feels similarly. There’s nothing I can do to convince you all that this is different and special, because this knowledge is largely experience based. If I were in your shoes, I definitely wouldn’t believe someone telling me that their issue is special. I do believe that if an extensive comparison was made between cannabis oil and other alternative cures, cannabis oil would win every time, and that’s something logic can demonstrate. But in terms of true knowledge, only experience can deliver that.

I will reiterate again the purpose of my report. Right now, there are no clinical trials indicating cannabis extracts eliminate cancer in humans. But people are doing it, it’s happening. My only possible path, not being able to run a study myself, was to make this report with the information available in the world, to convince people there’s something to this. So far it’s been doing that job well. It doesn’t definitively prove that cannabis cures cancer, but anyone who reads the whole thing cannot adequately disagree with my call to action, which is hospice trials. Like I said, to say every experience is coincidental or there were confounding variables is simply absurd.

There was actually quite an interesting synchronicity tonight… I am taking a Judaism related class, and we were talking about creation. To prevent any further questioning on my sanity, I do not believe the world was created in six days, just gotta get that out there. However, in the creation story, there were two things that weren’t mentioned to be “good” - humanity and nature. Science is a part of nature. Both humanity and science have the potential to be very, very good. But they also have the potential to be bad. Humans create hospitals and holocausts. Science creates medicine and bombs. It also blinds people to the higher connection that exists, to the spirituality that is greater than science. That is a personal belief and I’m not arguing for it in the slightest, but it is interesting that I learned about these ideas just as I was thinking similar things. I love science, I love chemistry, I love the specific things that science has unveiled. I love Breaking Bad - greatest show of all time. But for all its glory, science has also led to these unfortunate disconnections, but once people experience this cannabis revolution, all of these disconnections will dissolve.

Spontaneous summary:

  1. Studies show cannabinoids kill virtually any cancer cell type
  2. Endocannabinoids kill cancer cells and cancer cells have higher expressions of cannabinoid receptors, potentially indicating the human body is programmed to have cannabinoids kill cancer cells
  3. There are studies indicating the endocannabinoid system is involved in systemic homeostasis, which would explain why cannabinoid therapy is effective against so many diseases.
  4. Doctors, corporations, individuals, and dispensaries have all seen cannabis extracts eliminate cancer in humans, replicated many times over many years. It’s not one case, it’s not one person, it’s not even one type of extract.

I’ll write more after I finish making my oatmeal, it’s going to start to burn soon if I don’t tend to it.

That is stone cold. True, but cold. :wink:

There is probably no research because nobody will pay for studying a connection that is so obvious. And I apologize to the OP for misreading something and thinking he said he was 60. When someone is Gish Galloping about total bullshit I tend to skim. I thought he was a fellow elderly hippie and had no idea he was so young. With a Marketing degree. And who didn’t pay any attention in the classes about marketing research or statistics because he’d know the difference between good, useful studies and bad, worthless studies. I was his age once, just a year or two after cracking my first Marketing text and exclaiming, “I have wasted four years of college being an indifferent student in a somewhat difficult major when I could have studied Marketing and shone as a student while still being high and drunk the whole time!” And not end up working in a factory after graduation, too. :frowning:

However, my life mistakes, and total lack of respect for Marketing degrees, are not the subject of this thread. JKander, you did not address my accusation that, with your website and unsupported claims, you are acting as an inadvertent accessory to manslaughter. I’ll repeat:

So, what say you?

I’m sorry I had not addressed that quote earlier. You assumed I would respond with a statement like “Oh, but I’m not selling anything. I’m just providing information,” as a way to defend myself. But no. I am indeed advocating that people use cannabis oil over chemotherapy, or at least use it alongside chemotherapy if they feel more comfortable. It seems to work better without pharmaceuticals. Whether you agree or not, many people around the world have found the existing evidence to be enough to place their lives in the hands of this medicine. And in most cases, their hopes have been realized.

What about the lives that have been saved by this medicine? They far outweigh the likely rare cases of people dying from foregoing conventional treatment, I personally have never seen such a case. All the people I’ve heard about who have died used cannabis oil as a last resort and already had terminal cancer. I’ve never heard of someone who had a non-terminal cancer, used cannabis oil, and then died. I just haven’t, in five and a half years of following this movement and all stories I could find closely.

And I’ll give you a specific example where this truly got real. When my aunt’s friend, Dennis Hill, had aggressive prostate cancer. I encouraged him to use this medicine without chemotherapy, he did, and his prostate cancer disappeared. What am I to think after that? Oh, I guess it was just a coincidence and I should completely disregard this miraculous recovery of a close family friend. That’s a real case that’s close to me. These aren’t just random anecdotes. These are real people.

Ultimately, that’s the source of this disconnect. The reason I know this to be true is because of my experience talking with so many patients over so many years. Many of the cases I include in the report are people I know, who I’ve known for years. They’ve told me of how they have treated FAR more people than who are listed in the report, and the vast majority are experiencing miraculous success. As I’ve been saying, this report is just a small piece, and the results that aren’t included aren’t failures, they are mainly successes.

My formal education has little relevance to this, it is the experience of being in this movement that has given me the knowledge to write the report and talk about this. I do agree that marketing is one of the easiest degrees to get and I hold little respect for it myself, in comparison to other majors. I know that I learned a lot of great things in college that are useful, but comparatively, it’s so much easier than something like engineering, mathematics, or, of course, science. When I was young I wanted to be a chemist or a scientist, interestingly enough. In any case, it’s those people who will be the driving force of changing the world, those awesome people who have dedicated so much time and energy to understanding the principles of this world. Science is so amazing, and our ability to understand and manipulate it, is just awing.

I feel like this is a pretty good response for now. This has been an amazingly good day with even more good news on the cannabis extract front. The last two weeks alone have been incredible, and it’s just going to keep getting better.

This is the root of your problem. You do not fundamentally understand what truth is.

When referring to physical, observable, identifiable properties, there is one, and only one truth - statistical evidence.

That’s it - full stop - end of story.

Your “truth” is belief; it’s unfounded and unproven. You can want it to be true with all your heart, you can believe in it with all your soul, you can compile all the stories in the world of so called successes…

It still isn’t the truth.

Now you’ve crossed the line. This is no different than practicing medicine without a license. You’re a marketing major, not a doctor, and you have no fucking business telling anyone that kind of shit.

You do have blood on your hands.

Agreed and I’m reporting the quoted post for submitting dangerous and incorrect medical advice.

Then you don’t have a methodology. This is not the first time you’ve thrown around a scientific term you didn’t understand because you thought it would make your case sound stronger.

All of them.

You make it sound like I’m the main and only person telling people to do this. The vast majority of the patients in my report who have eliminated their own cancers advocate the same thing. Do they all have blood on their hands? Of course not. In their experience, chemotherapy didn’t work or wasn’t working well, or they were terminal, or they were afraid of chemotherapy and wanted to try something else. One patient in the report specifically said chemotherapy was scary and he tried cannabis oil to avoid it, and his cancer markers decreased dramatically. In any case, I’m not going to stop telling people this, and anybody who seriously looks into this issue knows it’s not snake oil. Also, the only person who I’ve directly told to use the oil and then followed the case of is Dennis Hill, and his was a success.

The cancer stuff aside, it’s extremely clear that cannabis oil has miraculous results. Dr. Sanjay Gupta himself reported on Charlotte Figi, who experienced the same level of healing I’m claiming in other patients. To go from 300 grand mal seizures a week, to less than three minor seizures a month, while exhibiting a whole host of other improvements, is miraculous. And it’s been repeated in dozens of other children, these same miraculous-level results. For epilepsy, a very complex brain disorder, that’s amazing. And it works for so many different types of epilepsy. In reality, what I’m claiming isn’t far off from the magnitude of what Dr. Gupta reported, I’m just claiming that it works this way for other diseases too. If the equivalent of Charlotte’s magnitude of healing were applied to cancer, what would be the manifestation? Elimination of the cancer. And that’s what’s happening.

I’ve noticed that most all of the reports of cures are just in the last 2-3 years, not enough time for a true picture. 5 years is considered the time span to declare a cure.

Further, it’s not all roses.
http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/

Well, for the time being, I’ll stick with lamictal and zonegran.

But that’s just it – double blind studies are essential, because lives are at stake. You want to be absolutely positive that this is true – and also that you’re not going to see some nasty side effects down the line. (Thalidomide?)

Are they spending a lot of time trying to convince other people to buy into an unproven cure with shoddy evidence? If so, then yes, they do have blood on their hands.

JKander, do you understand why until you have a selection methodology which includes everyone who has tried the drug, rather than just the successes, your study is worthless? Do you understand why it’s important to determine who you are going to examine before the start of the study?

It’s already begun: Sativex®

England-based GW Pharmaceuticals has been exploring/testing cannabinoids for quite some time now for treatment and possible cures of any number of ailments.

Fact is, the US lags far behind in medical cannabis studies for a number of reasons that I am sure you’ll be able to figure out on your own – for instance, what did hemp do to anyone to be outlawed in the US? Fortunately, a number of other countries have taken the lead in R&D – expect some amazing developments within a decade or less.

Another study from England: Non-Hallucinogenic Cannabinoids Could Cure Cancer: Is A Cheap Anti-Cancer Drug On The Way?

Israel: Israel Medical Marijuana Program

Spain: Active Ingredient in Marijuana Kills Brain Cancer Cells

You could also do worse with your time than spending 45 minutes or so watching Dr Sanjay Gupta’s CNN Special “WEED”

Good on them and good for us.

Good, people are doing real research. Doesn’t make JK’s crap stink less, but hey - it’s good news for all those involved.

I, and others, have posted many exhaustive, detailed explanations of the flaws in what you are posting. You have ignored all of it. Your only response is to repeat ad nauseum your little stories and reiterate again and again how much you really really believe what you’re saying, encouraging us to have the same faith.

You ARE an alternative medicine quack, pure and simple. Nothing more.

Seeing as all you have is a degree in marketing, you really can’t say you have a theory. At best, what you have is a guess based on insufficient knowledge filtered through a biased mindset.

No-the problem is that, amongst all the people doing this, you are the least qualified we’ve seen in a long time. You come across as a caricature of a used car salesman at times.

Here’s the abstract of a recent paper on the potential use of this drug for treating chronic pain in cancer patients:

“Nabiximols, a novel cannabinoid formulation, may be a useful add-on analgesic for patients with opioid-refractory cancer pain. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, graded-dose study demonstrated efficacy and safety at low and medium doses.”

So what we have here is a pharmaceutical derivative showing promise as an additional pain medication in cancer therapy. This is several dozen light-years away from “miraculous” results in treating cancer just by having people smoke street marijuana.

It does not surprise me that limited medical uses for cannabinoids have been started or proposed. On the other hand, sweeping claims of the kind made by JKander are not to be trusted.

One of Jackmannii’s Laws of Alt Med states that the more diseases and conditions an herb or supplement is claimed to treat, the less likely it is to be effective for any one of them.*

*my favorite, which I believe I mentioned earlier is apple cider vinegar, which in addition to being a great drug for cancer, Crohn’s disease, arthritis, diabetes, athlete’s foot and myriad other skin and internal medicine complaints, helps you lose or gain weight (there’s a two-fer), and also kills weeds, lice and moles. What person wouldn’t want to have a few gallons of ACV in the house at all times?