Can't understand why so many Americans woted on a clown like Bush

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This is a “outside” look on who’s gonna be the next president in USA. It may offend some here, but this is the pit.

The American president is the most powerfull man in the world etc. and have therefore some influence on the rest of the world. We’re not talking about the president of France or the PM in UK here.
It’s therefore pretty pathetic that so many gave their votes to a man like Bush, a man who brag of that he’s only been abroad twice.
Another thing, he’s from Texas! hello out there TEXAS! a place in the deep south who uses the death penalty for all it’s worth. Probable the state in US which is most hostile towards Europe. A place where most people use their spare time on activities like blowing Water melons into pieces with a gun. (I can’t help seing visions of a president candidate with the old testament in one hand and a magnum44 in the other.)

Is this a person who are fit to represent the most powerfull nation in the world ? My answer would be no
Some opinions from a European

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So we can upgrade our nuclear wessles, of course.

Hope this helps.

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I kinda wonder, too.

It’s tough to explain the nomimation process we use, but there are a lot of special interests involved in it, for good or ill. It ain’t right, I don’t like it, but nothing better’s come along that I can see. Certainly our founders foresaw this and designed out government to be complicated enough that no one branch can do too much damage before the others put a stop to it.

But sometimes the shouting gets tedious.

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Quincy:

I am of wondering if you are speaking for entire of Europe, or just yourself?

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So, when are you gonna start listing his bad qualities? :smiley:

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I speak first and foremost for my self, but the negative attitude towards Bush and the Republican party are pretty wide spread in Europe. (and I think in Middle-East, Africa, Asia, Latino-Am)

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Just wondering Quincy, but who are you to judge Bush, let alone any American? If you live in Europe, you live a very different life from Americans. You have different laws, different governments, different economies, and different opinions of a wide range of issues. So how can you judge Bush? If he wouldn’t make a good president, then why does roughly half the voting population support him?

The exact same thing could be said about Gore as well. Try to be informed about these things before giving us your opinion, or your view is going to be severely flawed.

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Quincy:

Have you ever been to Texas?

I am wondering how you can say bad things about Texas if you have not been there?

I am thinking you are a Bigot in Eurotrash clothing.

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I know what are really thinking, you bastard, go ahead, just say it. You feel that we Americans think life is a John Wayne movie – with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. Well, you know something, Mr. Marx-Lovin’, Socialist-Saluting, Commie-Sympathizer? You’re right. And let me tell you who those bad guys are. They’re us. Americans. WE BE BAD. And you’re jealous.

We’re the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We’re three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother’s side. You take you’re Germany, France, and Spain, roll 'em all together and it wouldn’t give us room to park our cars. We’re the BIG BOYS, Jack. The original, giant, economy-sized, new-and-improved ass-kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in London. And we’ve got a MasterCard credit limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go.

You say our country’s never been invaded? You’re right, little buddy. Because I’d like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who’d have the balls to try. We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying “Cheerio.” Hell can’t hold our sock hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer and buy more things than you know the names of. I’d rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than king, queen and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little countries like yours for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.

We’re the lords of the shitheap and don’t you forget it. Revise the Constitution? Hah! Make us, you gape-jawed gibbon.

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Oops! Looks like I wandered into the men’s thread by mistake…Man, somebody should clean in here.

:smiley:

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actually from what ive heard most europeans like gore better. Or rather to say they dont like bush and dont have a clue about gore. Of course nothing beats losing your home state right?:slight_smile:

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Europe is fucked. Euro has gone down 50% since it’s inception. You have strikes all the time. 100 billion US$ worth of investments have come over here in the past few years. Your effective taxes are 50%. Sales tax runs about 20%. You’re economy is stagnant. John Major spent 1 billion bucks on the Dome. English rail is falling apart. Soccer fans murder each other. English automobile industry is down the drain. Worry about yourself first, sucker.

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Good one, Manny!

C’mon guys, chill out. What’s wrong with foreigners having opinions about American elected officials? Why wouldn’t they? Fair’s fair: we’ve sure had opinions about leaders of other countries. We can’t have it both ways. We’re a superpower and what we do affects people elsewhere.

It’s impossible to bask in might and influence and then deny the realities of that influence. Consider the elephant analogy (Canadian Trudeau?) about the US: cohabiting with such an imposing critter, no matter how amiable it is, you’re still aware of every twitch and shift. (Apologies to Canadians if I’ve misquoted or mangled the quote.)

So lose the “how dare you question us” arrogance. It’s unfair and inappropriate; here, particularly, I might add.

My WAG in response to the OP? Lots of people supported Bush for reasons I suspect make more sense here than abroad. Our taxes are relatively low on the world-wide scale, but the belief runs deep that government can become a slave driver rather than a servant. Also, while Clinton is a very able executive, he stank up the White House with tawdry moves and slimy financial dealings.

Gore, while he’s so clean he squeaks, remained loyal while he was Veep and got tarred for it. In truth? He’s bright, hardworking, dedicated and experienced. But, sad to say, he doesn’t televise well: his attempts to overcome basic shyness and reserve come across as smarminess.

Bush is a fortunate-son frat rat but he can project earnestness. (Hell, Reagan was the pro at it, actor that he was.) He isn’t evil, just a lightweight. He’s a mirror, reflecting back what people want to see.

Interesting, the hype doesn’t match the facts at all. The “businessman” failed at an oil company funded by investors eager to get near his-dad-the-Prez, then floated out of a pro baseball deal, leaving taxpayers to foot the bill for a stadium. Military service? He got a “fortunate son” cushy stateside reserve assignment, but records don’t reflect that be bothered to show up.

But here’s a fact: Dubya mobilized a salable machine for the Reps when no one else did. Sad, because I think he’s a helluva nice guy who’s in waaay over his head. He was a tireless campaigner for his father and genuinely believes much of the party rhetoric. He wouldn’t be human if he didn’t relish the idea of taking office from the man who took the White House from his father.

It’s messy and emotion-laden and hyped. But there’s my WAG at part of it.

(Did you manage to stay awake during that blather?)
Veb

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So, which country are you from, QUINCY"’? I’d have to admit your English language is rather good if it is not your first language; I certainly would make a mess of the spelling and grammar in Danish, Spanish or whatever. But if you gave a clue as to your own country of origin, then people could learn in what way your own political processes operate.

I find this U.S. election very strange and interesting to observe, and, yes, worrying in some ways, and, indeed amusing in a way. (Then again, my cat amuses me, so it doesn’t take much.)

Anyway, what you said about “most people” (in Texas, I think?) spending their time shooting watermelons leaves me thinking, well, if these people somehow feel a desperate need to have guns, thanks to all the gods they are taking out their aggression on watermelons.

Shit, I’m now quite amused at the notion of the evil watermelon-shooters of Texas, which is not very Pit-worthy, is it?

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So we shouldn’t vote for Bush because you have a bunch of misinformed notions about what Texas is like? But you’d accept someone from a more cosmopolitan and enlightened state like Arkansas?

While I think foreigners can hold valid opinions about our candidates, they should make an effort to base them on facts.

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First of all. Europe are a continent which consist of a lot of nations with a lot of different languages and historical tradisions, it’s not a country like most Americnas like to think. Not everybody is a member of EU either.
The Economy are strong in many European nations and have been so the last 4-5 yars. (I heard that USA just had their first + in the national budgete since 1971 or so, seems like they also had a struggle some year ago)
I don’t live in UK, but I think that The English economy are pretty good also.
We haven’t strike all the time, but it’s more common here because workers have more rights. Maybe that’s why we have such low crime rates comparing to the US. Or one of the reasons.

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I can’t decide whether QUINCY’’’ or Major Feelgud makes my brain hurt more…

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Oh. A bit silly of the U.K. media to blame Tony Blair, then, is it?

Dear me, how sad, never mind. Isn’t that about the most constructive thing they can do? End result = fewer of them. If they could just be persuaded to do it in a big arena (with lions, perhaps) that would bring even more joy to the populace. In fact, I think we have just hit on a use for the blasted dome.

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Which is it?

Personally, I think you know a lot more about the US than Britain.

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::slowly beats head against wall::

“Don’t read the Pit; remember your blood pressure…”

If anymore lame sterotypes about Texans and/or Europeans crop up I may hurl. Talk about superficial, comfy, stupid, ignorant mind slots…

::takes deep breath::

Europeans are not the quaint, living-museum extras portrayed in Merchant/Ivory flicks, PBS productions and on network news.

Texans are not quaint, crude, violent living extras portrayed in classic Westerns (wretchedly colorized by Ted Turner), pop culture and network news.

So cut it the hell out, right now!

Sorry; un-Veb-like explosion.

This place elevates thread-drift to an art form; it’s the Pit and all, but c’mon! Dubya ain’t even Texan! He’s a frat-rat who couldn’t cut Ivy League; he’s a partier who swapped Kennebuckport for the urban, cut-throat “Dallas” 80’s greed-fest environment.

Shit, if ya gotta wield cliches as blunt weapons, at least pick apt cliches.

Wordy, annoyed but right,
Veb