Since everything has aired, I have some open spoilers in this post. If you have not seen either Battlestar Gallactica or Caprica but plan on it, don’t continue reading.
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I’ve watched every episode of Caprica so far and one thing still doesn’t make sense to me.
This is supposed to take place a mere 54 years before the big attack that launches BSG. So, we’re 54 years pre-BSG and there is only a single cylon working. We’re supposed to believe that the toasters are going to leave Caprica to some undisclosed planet and develop the technology to make thousands of cylons that appear human in that short amount of time?
Alright, some suspension of disbelief. I can roll with that.
In Caprica, Bill Adama is 11 years old (only 54 years to retirement!!). I would guess that he has to join the fleet in the next 10 years or less to make it all the way to Admiral. He and Saul Tigh seemed to have known each other for a long time. So that makes it even less time for the cylons to make skin jobs.
So that makes our timeline something like:
[ul]
[li]Cylon army is built by Greystone Ind. or the guy Greystone stole the chip from. (doesn’t matter in this context)[/li]
[li]Cylons go through some amount of time acting as slaves[/li]
[li]Cylons revolt and leave the 12 colonies[/li]
[li]Cylons regroup on another planet[/li]
[li]Cylons make human looking cylons[/li]
[li]Cylons make Saul Tigh and wife and get him to infiltrate Battlestar fleet (false memories implanted?)[/li]
[li]Saul Tigh befriends Adama[/li]
[li]Cylons attack the 12 colonies[/li][/ul]
Seem like a rather tight schedule?
I really hope the end of Caprica shows how all this evolved from the Cylon point of view. If it’s not canceled first.
You forgot that the Final Five (or should that be the First Five?) arrive during the first Cylon War and tell the Cylons to stop the war in exchange for the secret to making human-looking Cylons as well as resurrection technology.
A related question: is there an official history of the twelve colonies? I’ve seen a couple but I think they were fanfic without the stamp of approval from Ron Moore.
They were from the Cylon homeworld that was found at the end of season 3, where they showed up on the bleak, nuclear war torn beach where nothing was alive. It was an entire civilization of Cylons. The Final Five had discovered the secret to resurrection, and fled to planet before it was destroyed. They went off to the 12 colonies, a trip that took thousands of years.
And that planet may or may not have been Earth. Or Mars. Then they found another similar planet is the same galatic zip code, swore off all technology, and decided to live as hunter/gatherers. And many thousands of years later, the corpse of Athena and Helo’s poptart was discovered and proclaimed to be Mitochondrial Eve for all present day “humans”. Or something like that. Which is why Ron Moore deserves to be fed to fish, in little pieces carved from his flesh without anesthesia.
Actually, Saul, Ellen & the others were killed on the Cylon homeworld when their toasters attacked, then resurrected on the ship they had foresightedly/conveniently placed in orbit with the resurrection hardware. Then they headed back to the 12 colonies. Remember the whole bit with Tyrol looking at the shadow on the wall and saying “This was me.” ?
Ah - that’s right. The timeline I linked to after I typed that out gives a good narrative voice to it as well, which might spark the OP’s memory. I couldn’t remember who they were at war with - it *was *their own toasters.
The timeline link was broken. Here is the link to the timeline prior to BSG.
That was exactly what I was looking for. I’ve got it all straight out now. Thanks. The Tighs, Tyrol, Tory and Sam all predate Caprica by thousands of years on Kobal (where the 12 colonies come from). That makes a lot more sense now.
:rolleyes:
The parts necessary to make my point are included in my post. If you want to continue the personal attacks, I trust you know where to find the Pit.
No, the parts you omitted so you could skip straight to the RDM/Finale hate made your post misleading. Skipping straight from “Cylons leave CylonWorld for the 12 Colonies (via Kobol)” to “12 Colonies orphans complete their mission to find Earth (or a reasonable facsimile thereof)” left out the First Cylon War, the arrival of the Final Five on the 12 Colonies, and the Second Cylon War.
No, you didn’t. You picked up from my post, which ended with this:
“The Final Five had discovered the secret to resurrection, and fled to planet before it was destroyed. They went off to the 12 colonies, a trip that took thousands of years.”
If you meant to skip from the end of Season 3, making the slightest mention of it would have helped immensely.
Do you need a hug to forget it all? Do you need all of us to agree with you vehemently in every BSG thread which you, without fail, mention how much you disliked the final season/finale? Is it not enough that you disliked it, but that you feel the need to poison the shit out of that well for everyone else interested in BSG/Caprica?
Bill Adama did not meet Saul Tigh until after the Cylon War. They shared a background as Cylon War vets – although, of course, Saul’s memories of such were false.
Timeline is more like:
Bill Adama serves as Viper pilot “Husker” in Cylon War
Saul arrives with other Final Five at Colonies, hook up with Cylon toasters, convince them to end Cylon War in return for making Skinjobs for them
War ends; Bill Adama discharged from service, joins merchant fleet.
Final Five makes Skinjobs. Number One John throws tantrum, kills mommy and daddy, sets them up with false memories. Saul put into merchant fleet with false memories as war vet, meets and befriends Adama.
Adama reactivates into Fleet as Battlestar Commander, brings his old friend Saul along.