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Cite?
To be fair, the movie sets this up as a reflexive reaction to his combined sense of failure in seperating from Pepper Potts and his persistent guilt over the Ultron kerfluffle. Of course, Tony returns to type; he looks for a father figure to rebel against, in this case Secretary Ross, who he’s already crossed swords with before and whom he knows will be sufficiently disapproving to satisfy his need to regress. In fact, a large portion of the underpinning of the film is regret for or loss of childhood; Vision never had one, Wanda Maximoff had hers taken away (repeatedly by Stark, and also by her enhancement by Hydra), Rogers by his modification and loss of best friend, T’Challa in the loss of his father, and Parker in being recruited essentially by extortion. Stark basically drags everyone into this conflict as part of his self-medicating through rebellion from a self-imposed authority. He’s just as much of a dick as ever, and we all love him for it.
Yeah, there is no way Steve Rogers is actually Hydra. The twist is going to be his unrevealed talent for duplicity.
Stranger
Cap had just studied The Tao of Jeet Kune Do and mastered Bruce Lee’s famed “One Inch Punch” but in kick form.
Stranger
Oh, good grief. I stopped reading comics in the '80s, but I have periodically heard media reports when things like this come down the pike (Thor became a woman, Peter Parker made a deal with Mephisto to push the reset button and get rid of his marriage to Mary Jane, Jean Grey didn’t really die, etc.). To me it sounds like a whole lotta shark jumping, and an indication that ridiculously long-running comic series have the problem long-running TV series have, on steroids. Namely, that after a while, you run out of normal stories to tell with your characters, even if they are superheroes and supervillains, and so then you find yourself flailing about either for *abnormal *stories, or ways to reset the series so you can go back over old ground.
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I suppose you must be right. There’s no way they can just shrug “he was a villain all along, but keep reading, kids!”. But how stupid would HYDRA have to be to have a deep cover agent for seven decades or more (it is 2016 in the comics, right?) and be satisfied with him even though he has presumably never actually done anything *for *you and has repeatedly worked against you? Pfffft.
Here’s Time magazine’s interview with the author: Captain America Is a Hydra Agent: Marvel Editor Explains | TIME
I think it’s actually the other way around. It’s not old writers who have run out of ideas. It’s more likely to be a new writer taking over an old character and wanting to make his mark.
I was never saying it was old writers. Even during the five years or so that I read comics, titles changed writers all the time. I just meant that whoever’s writing it knows (presumably) the basic continuity of what has happened in the past (I don’t know if this has changed, but Marvel used to be real sticklers for continuity, providing actual footnotes to characters’ conversations, like “As seen in Spectacular Spider-Man #136”), and doesn’t just want to have the Rhino break out of prison and go on his umpteenth rampage or whatever.
That’s soooooo fucking stupid it boggles my mind.:eek: OK, I am no longer going to watch any of their craptastic films. :mad: Fuck 'em.
My neighbor still buys comics, and got this one. He let me read it. There’s a considerable backstory as to how Hydra helped out Steve Rogers and his mother when he was just a small child, and how he was brought into the fold early. This leads up to his revealing himself as a Hydra agent to a Hydra scientist at the end of the issue.
What stuck out like a sore thumb to me, however, as a silver-age fan of comics, was the shining Chekhov’s gun of a phrase: “the cosmic cube”. At the start of the comic Cap & Co. are searching for it. For those who don’t know, the cube can restructure reality to conform to whoever holds it’s desires. The Red Skull used it long ago to turn a career criminal into Sam Wilson, the Falcon, superhero, in order to gain leverage against Cap.
I have to guess this is what’s happening here, and so it can be as quickly undone.
But, still, pfui!
And the movie people are not the same writers as the comics.
I’ve been told that all of Steve’s flashbacks were black-and-white AND RED!!!
Dun Dun DUNNN!!!
In fact, the cosmic cube in question just “rewrote” Cap a couple issues back, returning him to his youthful self, after spending the last couple years running around as an old man.
That, plus the Red Skull is currently running around with all of Professor X’s psychic powers wired into his own brain. He’s explicitly said that he’s planted subconscious triggers in at least one hero that I know of (Well… I say “hero,” but I mean Quicksilver.)
And they’ve got at least two “alternate universe” versions of major characters (Miles Morales’ Spider-Man from the Ultimate universe, and the version of Logan from Mark Millar’s Old Man Logan miniseries) running around the universe right now as fallout from the Secret Wars crossover event.
In another thread it’s been mentioned that Marvel editorial has officially ruled these explanations out. Also, Marvel editorial apparently has a really good deal on the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge, if anyone’s interested.
LOL, good call.
And that Red Skull thing is Case. In. Point. for my earlier comments. So ridiculous. I couldn’t have made up a more absurd storyline if I were trying to speculate snarkily on what they’ll go to next in their desperation for new ideas.
Notice that very few of these newer developments make it into the movies, because deep down they know they kind of suck.
Well, of course it’s ridiculous. It’s a superhero comic. That’s what they’re for. Compared to the stuff Stan Lee and Jack Kirby cranked out on a regular basis when they were inventing the Marvel universe, the Red Skull performing radical neurosurgery on himself to gain Professor X’s psychic powers is practically sedate. Hell, it was only six issues into The Fantastic Four before Dr. Doom tried to kill Reed Richards by launching the entire Baxter Building into space. And you want to argue that comic books have gotten stupider since then? Buddy, that’s going to be one hell of an uphill battle.
Yeah, back in the days of Not Brand Ecch, Marvel parodied itself by having the FF state that they were popular because they were so realistic, while being attacked by giant sunflowers. But in those days, the market was kids and pre-teens. Now that the market is geared towards teenagers and young adults, they can’t get away with being so obviously ludicrous. Even though it still is.
I’m forty, and I’m totally down to watch the Fantastic Four fight a bunch of giant sunflowers. Hell, I pretty much just watched Batman do just that, and it was one of the best comic arcs of the last ten years.
Well, I finally saw the movie, and I liked it a lot. I thought Spider-Man was done very well. The fact that he paired off with Falcon a lot during the airport fight was interesting, considering that rumors say the Vulture is likely the villain for Spider-Man: Homecoming.
I know that suspension of disbelief is a must for super-hero movies, but one thing that bothered me was that when Scott Lang went giant, he seems to have gained mass and strength. IIRC, it was established that when he shrinks, he keeps the mass and strength of a full-grown man, so he can punch like a bullet at tiny size, so logically, the same should be true when he grows - he should have been stretched thin and hollow, or something like that. There could still be some advantages to being giant (he could block projectiles over a larger range, for example), but him falling on top of an airplane should not have him crush the airplane. Like in the Ant-Man movie, when the toy train rams into him to no effect, he should have had little effect on large, strong objects.
Would he even be able to walk?
Ant Man also had an ant that got expanded up to dog size. Logically that should have been the same as Scott being expanded up to giant size. And if Scott kept the mass of his full size when he shrunk, how was he able to ride on ants? That movie really threw physics out the window.
SlackerInc:
He shouldn’t be able to, based on the square-cube law, but I’m willing to accept that comic book super-strength works in ways that can’t make real-world sense.
Little Nemo:
True, but we really don’t see the giant ant do anything but walk and eat table scraps.
Very good question! Strange that that never bothered me at the time.
Any super-hero movie does to some degree. I just expect some internal consistency.