My kids and I really liked it. Definitely was Avengers 2.5 though. And I was quite happy with the superheroes vs. superheroes battle in the middle; especially Ant-Man’s big surprise.
Bucky killed his mom.
They had one. When Tony was examining his suit, Peter told him the goggles were there because his enhanced vision could be too much in a fight, so he had goggles to help him focus down. So Tony built that right into his new mask.
Hadn’t they already established, in AGE OF ULTRON, that Wakanda is the only place on the globe where vibranium can be mined? So we sorta already knew that, for the longest time, the locals could build otherwise impossible stuff?
To me it felt totally in character for Tony to sign the accords. The guy has to be having major guilt over the whole Ultron thing, plus he suffers from PTSD which everyone just ignores or makes fun off. My only problem with the movie was the ridiculous evil plot, which simply boiled down to making sure Tony saw the video at an opportune time, which happened entirely by luck and was in no way a result of anything the bad guy did.
I don’t have a problem with that. I think it shows a character arc that has spanned all of the Iron Man and Avengers movies. Essentially they’ve beaten him down, taught him that his gut reactions can’t be trusted and taught him a sense of humility.
After all to a large extent what happened in Sokovia and the creation of Ultron was the result of him going off on his own say so and assuming he was the smartest guy int he room best positioned to decide how to defend humanity.
Seems reasonable that after getting smacked int he face each time with being wrong he might entertain some self doubt.
Only source of Vibranium. Which powers their tech. Plus, it’s not like the Lost World trope is a new thing.
Also, in the real world, mostly-isolated South Africa developed nukes, and has some military tech on par with the best in the world (all of y’all copied our MRAPs, for instance, and our Rooivalk is not a bad attack heli)
They did. After Spider-Man makes his entrance, he says something like, “I could have stuck the landing better. I’m not used to the new suit. Oh, not that there’s anything wrong with it, Mr. Stark!”
Although personally, I think “has crappy old suit -> meets Tony Stark -> has fancy new suit” is more than enough on its own to explain its origins.
Not sure who “Dr. Strange’s mystical people,” are. Wakanda clearly isn’t a “podunk” African nation precisely because we see that they have super-science technology available. A hidden African city with secrets beyond the knowledge of European science is such a well-worn pulp trope, I scarcely think it needs set up in the film.
As for Black Panther, when he’s introduced in his superhero persona, we’re told he has a vibranium suit that appears to enhance his strength and endurance, plus he’s got claws. Later on, we learn he also owns a jet. I’m not seeing this “constant upping of his tech and abilities.”
I think Tony would get that under normal circumstances, but in this case, he’s been pushed to the ragged edge for several days, had to fight his closest friends, and is then confronted with a video of the murder of his parents. He’s not thinking as clearly as he normally would be right then.
Lessens the impact, sure, but also increases the poignancy. I mean, if they’re fighting a bunch of Hydra goons, they’re not going to hold back as much, but there’s also not really a question whether they’re going to win. Narratively, the smart thing about pitting heroes against each other is that one group of heroes has to lose, so there’s some genuine tension in the outcome.
'Cause its funny.
I didn’t have a problem with the villain’s plot. It made sense; heroes “killed” his family, so he takes revenge on them by making them fight each other. As for over-complicated, I didn’t really get that impression. His plot was basically to use the Winter Soldier’s murder of Stark’s parents as a wedge between Stark and Rodgers. A lot of the individual actions he undertakes are, I think, improvised. Like, I don’t think his plan was, “Blow up the UN, which creates an unbreakable chain of events that can only possibly end with me, Rodgers, and Stark hanging out in a bunker in Siberia, which I’ll shows Stark this particular video that will make him kille Rodgers!”
Rather, I think it was Zemo throwing everything he had related to Winter Soldier at the wall, and running with whatever stuck. The video at the Siberian base wasn’t the final master stroke of an intricate Xanatos Gambit: it was the straw that broke the camels back. If Tony hadn’t lost it then, Zemo almost certainly had some other stick to poke him with, until he made one or the other of them lose it.
More generally, Tony being on the registration side totally made sense to me, once I saw how we was acting with Ross after signing on. Tony desperately needs there to be someone in his life to tell him what to do, so he can ignore them. He’s got the world’s worst cast of oppositional defiance disorder, and there’s nobody with any authority over him he can defy. On top of the guilt over Sokovia, that’s a big part of why he jumps at the General’s plan: because he absolutely cannot wait to be insubordinate to that stuck up martinet, but he can’t be insubordinate if he’s not a subordinate to begin with.
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Just saw it. Writing this as I wait for credits scenes. A fantastic movie. On par with Winter Soldier as the best MCU film. I do agree with the Avengers2.5 assessments above. However, I think they should have simply called it “Marvel’s Civil War” and ditched attaching it to a named Superhero. As my girlfriend pointed out, this is more Tony’s rather than Steve’s story.
So it’s really Ironman 4.
Saw it a week or so ago. Quite good. We always like these better than that Superman dreck. Thought Spider-Man was good.
For someone who has only seen the first Avengers, would this film be OK or too confusing with references?
Saw it last night – it was terrific, definitely one of the best MCU movies, IMO. Great balance of action and drama – it really was tough watching them go all out against each other at the end.
Do your goggles slide the top and bottom to match your expression, in an exaggerated fashion?
They introduced a good two dozen characters and a million things happened in Age of Ultron. If they’re expecting me to remember anything that actually happened in that movie, the writers are being rather optimistic.
And I don’t see what having a bunch of vibranium mines means. If I told you that Tanzania is the source of 99% of the world’s titanium, would you think that they must clearly have advanced technology in their nation?
Do you recall that Cap’s shield is made of vibranium, which gives it properties unlike any other shield on the planet? Like, it doesn’t just have its own density, but it has unique ‘absorption’ properties and is “the most versatile metal in the world” and was the key to creating the Vision’s otherwise-impossible body, which is why Ultron paid billions of dollars to obtain the stuff instead of using something else in his plans?
Anybody excusing the villain’s plot needs to consider what happens if he gets caught with the bomb (as he clearly almost did, there was a dog there).
The guy was a Commando , I suspect he knows enough how to get by such security measures.
It would be very confusing. This movie is similar to Avengers in that it is the exciting conclusion to character arcs that happen in the stand alone movies. At this point it is probably best to think of the Marvel movies as a super high budget TV show. You don’t want to just tune in for the finale.
Related to that, if you are interested, why not just watch all the other movies? They are at worst entertaining, at at best are genuinely great movies. Spend a month, watch a couple movies a week and immerse yourself in the world a little bit. It’s a lot of fun.
Because I don’t really care for Captain America or Ironman- centered movies. I may be OK with watching the second Avengers. And I ask because SO wants to see it and Im usually his movie buddy.
This is a Captain America movie based around him fighting Iron Man, why would you even bother?
I was not, but the way some are describing, as more ensemble film a la Avengers, makes me interested in checking it. Hence the original question.