The War Machine suit from IM2 is the original Mark 2 that Tony was using as a prototype in the first Iron Man movie. He gave up on it due to the icing problem at high altitudes, when he moved to the titanium/gold alloy suit. We know it was upgraded by Hammer and later AIM, but nothing on screen at least has indicated Tony has ever gotten it back, AFAICT.
I’m also about the same age as Tony, my father was in the Navy during WWII, and I have two younger siblings. It hardly requires Comic Book Time for a rich man to father a child in his 50s.
I prefer to think that’s a prototype that Tony himself had been working on, since he had to listen to his father praise Steve so much while he was growing up.
Saw it on Friday but had a busy weekend and couldn’t comment just yet. Plus, I like to let a movie marinade a bit.
I think, upon marination, that I didn’t like it as much as I wanted to given how much I loved Winter Soldier, and I blame Iron Man. I think he was in the movie too much. I love Cap and he’s my favorite of the heroes in the MCU, so I found myself thinking, “Get your Iron Man out of my Captain America movie!” a lot.
(As an aside, anyone read the IMDB trivia where it says that RDJ originally had a smaller part but “insisted” on his billing (and paycheck) be higher? So he was in it more?)
There are a million things I liked, but it’s easier to bitch and complain so here’s what I didn’t like
Why have the inclusion of Pepper being gone? Did they really think the audience was watching this movie and thought "omg where’s Pepper?!?! (See, too much Iron Man)
I wasn’t a fan of the villian’s plan, seemed too convoluted to me. Although I will say I didn’t see the swerve until right before it happened (wait a minute, I know this road) and loved the reveal.
Not a gigantic fan of Spider Man being in this movie because he did seem a bit shoe-horned in. Almost as if the writers went “well shit, we need them even on both sides and we’re one short!”.
Let’s face it. Iron Man’s side would DESTROY Cap’s side. And the walk-to-jog-to-run-to-fight setup was so stupid and so…movie-y.
Not a complaint: Holy shit the helicopter scene holy shit. I’m not even gay and Chris Evans’s arms are the most beautiful thing in that movie.
Also not a complaint: I really really really want more backstory on what happened with Bucky from WS to now. How did he get his full memory back? Just from the museum? How did he disavow himself from Hydra? Because of the events of WS? How did he know that he was triggered by the words? How did he know what the words even were? Isn’t the point of a sleeper agent is to have them not know what makes them wake up?
I loved the rapport that Cap and Bucky have (and think Winter Soldier is pretty badass anyway) and I really wish this movie had more of that and less of Stark. Do we think that Bucky will be back for the Avengers 2 and 3?
It’s clear in Iron Man 3 that Tony has, at least, been writing and upgrading the software for Rhodey’s suit. Seems to only make sense that he’d have been upgrading the hardware too.
I figured that Stark’s tech and armor simply isn’t sufficient to withstand a blast from a friggin’ Infinity Stone!
No. My problem was not that Vision’s blast disabled Rhodey’s suit.
My problem was what did Vision think he was going to do to poor Sam???
When Rhodey called for Vision’s help, he said something to the effect of (referring to Sam), “I’ve got a rocket on my tail, I need him turned into a glider.” I take that to mean Vision is meant to disable the propulsion of Sam’s pack while leaving it sufficiently intact that Sam will be able to guide himself safely back to the ground. And, yet, Vision’s blast is strong enough to take down a fully armored pilot!
Yeah, Vision, I wouldn’t make any attempts to lift Mjolnir again any time soon if I were you.
Nah, it wasn’t about thinking the audience would question her absence. It was character building for Tony. Between the PTSD, and being confronted by the mother of the dead kid, and having Pepper leave, it all adds to his wanting to reign in the whole Superhero part of his life and, thus, support signing the accords. Dealing with losing Pepper adds authentic human drama to Stark as a character and informs his motivations.
Plus, they got to fit in a throwaway line to address all the corners of the internets who whined in response to Age of Ultron, “But he destroyed all his suits at the end of Iron Man 3! Where did he get a new suit from if he destroyed all his suits!? It certainly couldn’t have been possible that the characters could have had off-screen activity in the two years between the movies!!!”
Has Tony been working on the suit? I thought part of the plot of IM3 was that AIM had the control codes and software for the Iron Patriot suit, not Tony.
The Falcon/War Machine bit does make sense though - the suits only fly because they’ve got jets in the boots. Turn off the jet, they’re just rocks, as witnessed in IM and the icing issue. But the Falcon wings are wings, so even without propulsion, he could glide to a landing.
The real question is why a blast from an Infinity Stone is slow enough to dodge.
My wife surprised the hell out of me this weekend. I offered to take her to a movie for Mother’s Day and expected that we’d be seeing The Jungle Book. She said “Actually, I’d rather go see Captain America!” (My wife has a huge girl-crush on Peggy Carter and I think was expecting at least a brief scene with her in it.)
I thought it was pretty good, it only felt a little long because my butt was getting numb near the end. But that’s more of a movie theater seat issue than a problem with the film. I did wonder how Tony got home from Siberia since the suit was damaged (hitched a ride with Black Panther?) and how Cap was able to break into floating prison.
I saw the mid-credits stinger but not the one at the very end. What did I miss?
One thing no one’s mentioned that I loved was the friction between Cap’s sidekicks:
“Can you move your seat forward?” “No.”
and
“God, I hate you.”
Though they were both on-board with Steve making out with Sharon.
My only criticism of the movie is the timeline, which is a standard issue in MCU movies. In the same time that it takes Cap & Bucky to fly the quinjet to the Siberian base, Tony flies home, waits with Rhodey in the hospital, has his conversation with Natasha at Avengers HQ, flies to the Raft, talks to Sam, Scott, etc., then still gets to the base ahead of them. Did they stop for lunch along the way?
I doubt anyone knows what kind of energy an infinity stone uses and Viz himself doesn’t understand it and is trying to learn to control it, so it doesn’t control him. He admitted he became distracted during the fight and when Tony said he didn’t think that was possible, Viz said “neither did I.” So, Viz is nerfed with human emotions. Not unexpected. Most robots worth writing about struggle with this stuff.
That was the whole basis of his conversation with Ultron at the end of Avengers 2. Basically admitting the flaws of people, but excited to learn about them.
I haven’t seen the movie in a hot second but didn’t Ultron even say something to the effect of “They’ll never accept you, you’ll always be a tool to them” and Viz say “Possibly” while looking at himself?
-I thought both Spider-Man and Peter Parker was great in this, but he did feel a bit shoehorned in. He does have a way to capture people without killing them, which is something that Tony seemed to like, but he’s also a kid who’s been doing this for six months, so it does seem a little weird and reckless to bring him to a fight with trained soldiers.
-I think if the two teams were battling to the death, then I agree that Team Ironman would probably win. But since neither side wanted the other killed, Tony just wanted to stop Steve and to bring him in, both sides were pulling punches.
-I’ll agree with you on that helicopter scene, that was lovely.
-I’d also like some more back story on the Winter Soldier, but I’d be surprised if we got much. It’s possible he doesn’t know the exact words, but he knows/remembers enough when he sees the notebook with the star, and this guy who’s not too bothered by the power going out is up to something bad. At one point Bucky does say something about that he remembers everyone he killed, so he apparently does remember some of his missions, he just can’t control himself once triggered.
I liked that with Bucky and Sam. There was enough humor in the movie to keep things from getting too dour. Steve making out with Sharon was fine other than it did seem a little weird to me since she’s Peggy’s niece.
And the timeline of the movie was weird at several parts for me. Not enough to bother me or take me out of the movie too much, but made me wonder. The biggest thing was Tony was given 36 hours to bring Steve in, and he goes to Queens, recruits Peter Parker, goes to Germany with his team, and says something to Steve about having just 12 hours to bring him in if I’m remembering correctly. Assuming that Tony already had some sort of spider suit already prepared for Peter, it wouldn’t be perfect and I’d think there would have to be some adjustments. And Sam probably started a bit earlier than Tony, but that still seemed a little quick to get Hawkeye out of retirement, for Hawkeye to be able to get Scarlet Witch, and to bring Ant-Man over.
I can think of a half dozen ways Bucky could fit into the next couple of movies.
A great one would be having Steve hiding somewhere and Tony needing that skill set against whatever Little Bad Thanos is throwing at Earth right now. One quick trip to Wakanda later and he’s handing the shield to Bucky with a rueful smile and a “Do him proud” exhortation.
Maybe I missed the explanation, so please let me know if this was addressed.
Zemo’s entire plot hinges on knowing of the strong relationship between Bucky and Cap. Where did he get that knowledge? If it came from the leaked Hydra files (and was, therefore, public knowledge), then why didn’t Tony already know that Bucky killed his parents? Clearly, something that big would have been found by someone other than Zemo and relayed to Tony. I mean, even if his friends wanted to shield him from that, discovering the cause of Howard (Hughes) Stark’s death was murder and not a car accident would have been headline news, right?
Wakanda is a wealthy, advanced nation on a continent synonymous with war, famine, disease, and weekly coups. I was always very ambivalent about Wakanda in the comics. Even for a genre that deals explicitly in power fantasies, Wakanda always felt like a load of BS to me.
Zemo specifically mentioned that the Hydra files were heavily encrypted and that he was ‘motivated’.
In general, I agree - it seems odd that
a) CA actually knew that Bucky/WS directly murdered Stark’s parents - when he found out this specific is not clearly laid out.
b) that Zemo had ability to decrypt these files before Stark and others.
Right - Steve and Bucky’s friendship is well attested to - how well it was known that WS== Bucky outside of a few key people (hell, even rogers didn’t know that to add it to Shield files during the WS movie).
I’d guess that its difficulty to geographically access kept it more or less safe from the European adventures of the 1800-1900s that put much of Africa in its current state. Wakanda was able to flourish because they weren’t busy fighting English, Italian or Belgian soldiers or dealing with the aftermath. The ability to keep a stable (benevolent) monarchy would do wonders on the famine and disease front as well since you can actually get food where it needs to be, dig drainage ditches or whatever.