Captain Marvel "Seen It" Spoiler Thread

Omg, you’re so right, can’t believe I forgot that, I withdraw my statement.

Death by whole cloth is a terrible way to go.

Just saw it with wife and teenage daughter. Had a lovely Long Island Iced Tea while watching.

Loved it.

My wife and I saw this over the weekend. I had no idea that Avengers: Endgame was coming out so soon and figured I’d better see this one first.

After the movie my wife asked a question which I don’t think I’ve seen discussed (at least not in this thread, maybe one of the fifty other “Captain Marvel” threads…) Was this an allegory for the Israeli - Palestinian conflict?

I actually took it to be more of an allegory for the invasions of Iraq or Afghanistan, but you could read it as the Vietnam conflict or indeed any war in which you discover that the more powerful side is not operating with the moral high ground it assumes of itself, e.g. Vietnam. Mostly, it was a way of turning the “Skrull Invasion” storyline of the comics on its head, which really isn’t all that unexpected since the Kree have already been established as aggressors with imperial ambitions.

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My wife and I also just saw it over the weekend. Something minor that stuck out at me, that I don’t think I saw addressed in this thread:

A couple of times Carol had quick flashes of singing karaoke to “Kiss Me Deadly” in that bar. The movie established that those memories took place in 1989. After the movie, I thought “wait a second…” I don’t remember karaoke being a thing until some years later, like well into the '90s. Googling seems to confirm this (in America, anyway). Did I misinterpret those flashback scenes?

Did they have microphones, or were they just singing along at the bar? Drunks singing along to songs on a jukebox goes back to the invention of jukeboxes.

I can tell you, from my own experience, that I sang at a karaoke party with my co-workers in the very early 1990s (based on who was there, I’d guess 1990 or 1991), but it was, in my recollection, a pretty new thing in the U.S.

That said, as muldoonthief points out, I can’t remember if the movie actually portrayed Carol and Maria singing karaoke, or just singing in a bar. :slight_smile:

Most likely, since for 25 years or so movie scenes of people singing in bars usually indicates karaoke, I just jumped to that conclusion. :slight_smile:

I enjoyed the movie, but I had some problems with the music. And I’m really surprised to find myself saying that, because I’m a guy in my mid-40s, so a movie that is steeped in '90s tunes – heavy on the alternative rock – ought to be a musical can’t-miss. And I was definitely digging things early on. Elastica’s “Connection” was a fun deep cut. “Only Happy When It Rains” from Garbage was excellent. But the Nirvana song seemed to have been jammed in just to get Nirvana in there. And “Just a Girl” totally didn’t work for me. It was way too obvious and was too light and twitchy when I think the scene it was in needed something heavier.

We enjoyed the movie. At first the de-aging of Samuel L. Jackson seemed a little creepy, but we soon got used to it and didn’t notice it anymore.

It worked wonders for me. Admittedly I’m a bit obsessed with Captain Marvel (I just saw it for the 9th time as a double-feature with Shazam! because that’s how I roll) but even the first time I saw it I loved the “Just a Girl” fight scene, and have never felt differently. It’s just so much fun! It’s obvious to me that Carol is having a blast (in more ways than one) during that fight and a more serious song would not have fit the mood. She was just screwing around with them, keeping them busy to give her folks time to get out. What kind of song do you think would fit?

I had some fun making up my own YouTube playlist of songs that I was listening to at that time. None would fit in the movie as well as what they used, but I had a good time making it. If anyone’s interested, here’s a list. I’ll put it in spoiler tags so no one has to scroll though it if they’re not interested. Most songs are from 1994 & 1995, with a smattering of 1992 and 1993 songs. I didn’t cheat like the movie did and use anything from after 1995.

[spoiler]* Kate Bush - The Red Shoes (The Red Shoes 1994)

  • Bjork - Army of Me (Post 1995)
  • Tori Amos - God (Under The Pink 1994)
  • Sinead O’Connor - Fire On Babylon (Universal Mother 1994)
  • Kirsty MacColl - Walking Down Madison (Electric Landlady 1991, but also on Galore 1995)
  • Cranes - Everywhere (Forever 1993 Vocalist: Alison Shaw)
  • Tricky & Martina Topley-Bird - Overcome (Maxinquaye 1995)
  • Anneli Drecker - I’ll Strangle You (Hector Zazou’s Sahara Blue with Gérard Depardieu 1992)
  • Suzanne Vega - Blood Makes Noise (99.9F° 1992)
  • PJ Harvey - The Dancer (To Bring You My Love 1995)
  • Concrete Blonde - Mexican Moon (Mexican Moon 1993 Vocalist: Johnette Napolitano)
  • Annie Lennox - Take Me To The River (Medusa 1995)
  • Jane Siberry - Sail Across the Water (When I Was A Boy 1993)
  • Ashley Maher - The Flow - Pomegranite 1992)
  • Happy Rhodes - Collective Heart (Building the Colossus 1994)
  • Milla - Don’t Fade Away (The Divine Comedy 1994)
  • Katell Keineg - Franklin (Ô Seasons Ô Castles 1994)
  • Alanis Morissette - All I Really Want (Jagged Little Pill 1995)
  • Cranberries - Zombie (No Need To Argue 1995 Vocalist: Dolores O’Riordan)
  • Meshell Ndegeocello - Step Into The Projects (Plantation Lullabies 1993)
  • Sara Craig - Thank You (Very Much) (Sweet Exhaust 1994)
  • Lush - Undertow (Split 1995 Vocalist: Miki Berenyi)
  • Poe - Trigger Happy Jack (Hello 1995)
  • Siouxsie & the Banshees - Stargazer (The Rapture 1995)
  • Dionne Ferris - I Know (single) (Wild Seed - Wild Flower 1994)
  • Cocteau Twins - Summerhead (Four-Calendar Café 1993 Vocalist: Elizabeth Fraser)
  • Portishead - Sour Times (Dummy 1994 Vocalist: Beth Gibbons)
  • October Project - Sunday Morning Yellow Sky (Falling Farther In 1995 Vocalist: Mary Fahl)
  • Stereolab - Ping Pong (Mars Audiac Quintet 1994 Vocalists: Laetitia Sadier & Mary Hansen)
  • The Breeders - Invisible Man (Last Splash 1993 Vocalist: Kim Deal)
  • Juliana Hatfield - Live On Tomorrow (Only Everything 1995)
  • Veruca Salt - Victrola (American Thighs 1994 Vocalists: Nina Gordon & Louise Post)
  • Letters To Cleo - Little Rosa (Wholesale Meats And Fish 1995 Vocalist: Kay Hanley)
  • Grace Jones - Sex Drive (Black Marilyn-unreleased 1994)
  • Groove Theory - Baby Luv (Groove Theory 1995 Vocalist: Amel Larrieux)
  • Kristin Hersh - Close Your Eyes (Hips and Makers 1994)
  • Love Spirals Downward - Depression Glass (Ardor 1994 Vocalists: Suzanne Perry & Jennifer Wilde)
  • The Cardigans - Celia Inside (Life 1995 Vocalist: Nina Persson)
  • Penelope Houston And Her Band - Snakebite (Karmal Apple 1994)
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They probably could have found something else there. I also thought the scene could have worked if they made the song diegetic. There was a juke box right there, have it get zapped or a Skrull thrown into it early on and then have the song cue up and play.

I think I would have gone with Veruca Salt’s “Seether.” It makes sense lyrically, being another song about suppressed power that can’t be held back any longer. It’s not a cheat as far as release date, having come out in 1994. We still have a song sung by a woman. Plus, it rocks the way I think the scene demanded. Another one that I kind of think would have been worth looking at is PJ Harvey’s “Man-Size.” It might take a bit too long to get to the part where it really explodes, but I think that song is just so fuckin’ TOUGH that it might’ve worked.

With all these comments about the music, there’s something that’s been bugging me:

Usually the music in a film is chosen to mean something, or be personal to, the main character. Carol Danvers disappeared from Earth in 1989. She would be totally unfamiliar with most of the music played in the film. In one of the AI scenes Annette Benning said Danvers created the setting in her mind, and even said something like “the music is a nice touch,” while some '90s song that Danvers couldn’t possibly know was playing.

Therefore, the movie should have been packed with '80s music! :smiley:

I know, I know, they were trying to establish that the movie took place in the '90s, so '80s music would be too confusing for the audience…

I think it’s worth saying here that fiction, including movies, is all trickery and illusion. It’s not meant to create a coherent world, and certainly not a true-to-life one.

I can testify to bellowing out Dire Strait’s Money For Nothing (along with a crowd of friendly, drunken strangers) at a bar in Pensacola, FL, in 1985.

I liked the movie, but something felt off, forced maybe; the banter seemed a tad forced, or contrived; it didn’t sound as natural as other entries in the MCU. The story pacing also seemed to suffer some, by comparison with other MCU entries.

It’s estimated to have crossed the 400 million domestic box this weekend. (If not it certainly will Monday.) It didn’t really drop this weekend compared to last. I expect people who haven’t seen it are going now in anticipation of Endgame.

That was the case with me. I’m not a comic fan at all, didn’t care for the X-Men franchise, but I do like the MCU main-cast franchise. I watched Captain Marvel (as well as GotG, Black Panther, Ant Man, Spidetman) mostly just to see how they tied in with Iron Man, Capt. America and Thor.

I just want to say Thank You to all of you for getting my daughter to like “a comic book flick”. Yes, you helped; based on the comments here I told her to trust the Teeming Millions and try it.

She’d said no way when it came out. Told me she’s such a Star Wars/GOT/Potter fan that she doesn’t have room for another franchise. But out of the blue she texted that she’d seen it, loved it, “But what’s up with the cat? Can you give me some backstory there?” “You mean the FLERKIN?” So that led into a flurry of texts where I ended with mentioning that the post-credits Coughing Up The Tesseract scene could be modern day… hmmm… and said:

“Just watch, it’ll be Cap’n Marvel, Ant-Man and Goose fixing the world in Endgame.”