It was an example, I made it up. Insert anything in it’s place. An extra portion there, a soda here, it eventually adds up. It is easy to do, even for somebody that follows a strict diet. It shows up when you record everything. It doesn’t matter how much activity you do, if you eat a bunch to compensate for it, you won’t lose weight.
You are right, of course, Epimetheus. My appetite increased with my increase in physical activity and I gained weight. That’s why I don’t like it when someone just says, “Just exercise and you’ll lose weight,” because it’s not true (I don’t think you were the original person to say it, so I apologize if it seems I’m picking on you).
No, thats ok. It is understandable if my claims are called into question. My initial post came off sounding like a troll aparently, and I was rude to Waverly, so this just makes it harder to have any validity in my statements.
I go through fluxes as well, I eat more than I burn and I get a bit of extra weight, so I know this from experience not just theory. I am not the self proclaimed guru that Waverly’s sensationalism tries to paint me as.
We so need to hook up for a feast - nearly all those foods match my most-loved food list identically.
Would you mind if I had Belgian Chocolate Haagen Daazs instead of the Choc Choc Chip though? I guess we’ll have our own (LARGE) tub each, so the different flavours won’t matter…
Dude, listen up.
When I’m warm, I can bend over and put my forearms completely on the ground without bending my knees- cold I get to about 45 degrees (I just checked, good thing no one was walking by my office door just then.)
I can run more than 10K, and still feel pretty good.
I can bench about 2/3’s of my own weight, and I’m a girl.
I can assure you that none of these facts feel better than a slice of warm bread with butter tastes.
Actually, creme brulee tastes better than any of these things feel as well.
Having read and studied Atkins reasonably thoroughly - to make an informed decision before doing it - I really came to the conclusion that the eating plan is most targeted to long-term obese people, and those that are pre-diabetic (or heading that way.
I used to think fat people were lying when they said they couldn’t lose weight. Although I think some fat people are, and some may well be greedy/lazy whatever (just as thinner people can be), consider the following from Atkins:
So it really is a very difficult situation, and the best way out according to Atkins is carb control.
Yes - there may be concerns about the high fat element of Atkins. And the need for carbs for weight training, etc.
But someone morbidly obese is DYING of their obesity. It’s unlikely they can do any exercise, even walking will be putting a dangerous strain on their joints. They’re probably pre-diabetic or even diabetic, with the wide range of complications that entails. So the concerns that “normal” or “less fat” people have just don’t apply here. If eating large amounts of fat and ultra low carbs is the only way a morbidly obese person can lose weight, then that’s probably the best thing for them. The weight is the priority, above all other concerns, because it’s already killing them.
Well, back on topic (sorry for the hijack wav), One of my staples of my diet is Chicken Fried rice (a misnomer really, since it isn’t really fried). I work for the Hy-vee Pizza shop in my area, and the chinese department is right next to it. I get free pizza and chinese as a result of working there. I avoid pizza like the plaugue, but love CFR. I live off it, which does get me comments on it by Atkins people. It is free food though, and as a college student I am all over that.
Hey, Epimetheus, that was our diet in college! I waited tables at first a Pizza Hut and then a Chinese restaurant, and we ate a LOT of fried rice (vegetable and chicken mostly). I learned to abhor quick cook rice and only ate the good stuff.
Well, it took me years of telling doctors something was wrong with my body, only to hear “Eat this low-fat diet and get more exercise.” Like Waverly, I graphed my intake and exercise assiduously, demonstrating that this was not workinga glucose tolerance test (a lab I asked for, BTW) that anyone noticed that I had a glucose/insulin problem. I thenwent to the medical literature. You know, the stuff where they do controlled trials, rather than saying things like but how could ham be better for you than an orange? and making decisions on the basis of the question rather than seeing the answer. An orange may be “better” for you. I’d rather eat an orange, myself. Yet ham is better for me in that it does not raise my blood glucose and lead to hypoglycemia, eye damage, etc. The idea that one way of eating would be best for everyone is absurd. Even my cats get different Hill’s foods depending on the state of their health. It is very hard to have a reasonable dialogue about this when people criticize a diet or make sweeping generalizations, admitting that they don’t really know what they’re talking about, or, worse, insisting that they do without really listening to others’ experiences and considering the research.
I do not eat an Atkins diet. However, research supports it, at least in the short term, as an effective intervention for people who are overweight. I don’t mind hearing about people’s plans for their own health and how those plans are working for them. I do not like proselytes of any kind. I do not like the metaphor of “cheating” applied to a diet. I do not like, but yield under the weight of, the shortening of “carbohydrate” to “carb” or the confounding of carbohydrates with grains.
All foods are not alike, and are not simply reduced to some thing called “calories” in the body. For example: I have eaten very little in the ways of simple sugars and highly refined bread since January. I have in this way reduced my post-meal blood sugar from 160 to 90. In the spirit of scientific adventure, I ate a small DQ ice cream cone and hamburger with bun one hour ago. I just tested my glucose, and it’s 136. That’s about carbohydrates. Get it?
I do Atkins. But my spouse doesn’t, so I cook all kinds of high-carb foods for him. I don’t understand Atkin-ites who would blather on to other people about their diet choices. However, if you read the Atkins boards, you’ll find that they have to deal with people commenting on their diets all the time too: “Ew Atkins! You’ll never be able to eat bread again!”
It’s simply not true (as someone here said ) that Atkins eliminates entire food groups. We eat all kinds of Carbohydrates. We get them in vegetables, fruit, and–yes–low-carb breads and pastas. We just can’t go overboard with them. And those of us who exercise can eat more of them. Whoever mentioned “all things in moderation” hit the nail on the head. I wish people would read Dr. Atkins’ book before they make these statements. We can even eat ice-cream if we make it ourselves and use aspartime. The only so-called “food group” that Atkins eliminates are foods that are flour/sugar based like cakes and pastries. And EVERY diet says to stop eating those!
Someone asked about alcohol. Strong liquor like whiskey and vodka are allowed because the carbohydrates are eliminated during fermentation. Whiskey and Vodka have zero carbohydrates. Alcohol still is high-calorie, but it’s zero-carb. And I agree that low-carb beer is silly. But, surprisingly, it tastes a little better than lite beer! But not much.
Waverly, I’m sorry that people around you are being obnoxious (I typed out the entire word!). Seriously, no one but my hubby knows I’m even on this diet (yes! I said DIET! Not “way of eating”). I can’t imagine a mind-set that works this way: “I’m on this diet, so you should be too.” These are the same idiots who say, “I like this music so you should too” or “I saw this movie and loved it, so you should see it and love it too!”
Peace!
Lesbia,
Well said.
Actually I am not ON a diet w/a low carb regimine but it’s the way I must eat…in order to stave off a family history of diabetes and it has taken away my hypoglycemic “attacks” or episodes. I also have more energy and I also eat (GASP) carbs…but in moderation and “good” ones,not necessarily junk food…there’s a difference.
But alas, it’s all been said before. If you find yourself on a thread or in a convesation about locarbing, then politely dismiss yourself and go elsewhere, I mean, you would do it for any other sitaution, woudlnt’ you? Or maybe not…ROFLOLOL
Eisel
(who is raising her non-carb chicken
salad wrapped in a low carb tortilla
to all of you! CHEERS!)
Lesbia and Eilsel [Lesbia?!],
You two really crack me up. You wander into a thread where people are talking about how they are tired of their friend, family, and coworkers witnessing for low-carb diets and you think to yourselves, “These seems like a good place to share the details of my own low-carb diet!”
I dunno, maybe you feel we are lost and need to hear the true word, lest we are not accepted in into starch-free heaven. Maybe you have made a deal with the devil to secure weight loss that requires you the proselytize for Atkins. Perhaps the absense of carbs affects impulse control.
I give up. I’m obviously outnumbered, and lack the determination of those who have rid themselves of carbs. But before handing over my sword to Lesbia and Eilsel, I want you two to know I’m running down to the pub to have a couple pint of Guinness and assorted meats on thick rye bread. After that, I’m heading out to the workshop, and if sawdust happens to contain carbs, by Gods balls, I’ll eat that too!
see - you’ve got me too flustered to spell check.
shrug
I guess it’s the same concept as when people who are sick of carbs wander into a thread where all we’re discussing is carbs…
Thanks for the sword, btw…
oh, and because I’m pmsing…I just ate a klondike peanut caramel bar 
yay
Yes, its pms’ fault, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Aww, and I was so careful not to offend you! I’m sorry. Really. I’m new here, but I thought that the main purpose of this message board is to fight ignorance, no? So what I tried to do was to agree with you (hence my opening and closing paragraphs) AND fight the misconceptions at the same time. I seem to have failed at that. Sorry again, Waverly.
LOL! No! And I’m an Agnostic.
LOL! No! And, again, I’m an Agnostic.
Hee! Perhaps. Dr. Atkins has said nothing about that, but since he’s no longer with us, it’s possible.
I really am sorry! I honestly tried to be so balanced in my thread. I never meant to come across as pushing this diet on people. I just wanted to answer the “why can they drink alcohol on this diet?” question and I wanted to clear up a detail and that was it. I really didn’t mean to push.
Mmmm . . . Guinness and assorted meats on thick rye bread . . .
LOL!
Peace to you, Waverly!
Lesbia
She was the lady-love of my favorite poet.
See? I read other books besides Dr. Atkins!
Peace!
No need to apologize, Lesbia. You carbophobic people can’t help it. In case you couldn’t tell, I’ve absorbed enough carb knowledge to last a lifetime. I don’t need to be debunked.
As to why I don’t get up and walk away (or shove a pita down someone’s gullet) more often, it’s because the worst offenders are business associates who I have to entertain at meals regularly.
mmm pita…with hummus.
man oh man, I need to take a nap or something or take a carb blocker…
One person explains how she does eat carbs - but complex carbs, and less of them.
Another person explains how she avoids carbs because of a family history of diabetes.
Neither of these people can fairly or accurately be described as “carbophobic.”
Also, I might add, I just ate a fair share of carbs today due to hormones lol…and they didnt’ scare me one bit.
Of course, I’m on vacation and there’s no scale here…talk to me next Friday evening when I know I"ll be home the next day…