Poll coming
I haven’t paid much attention, haven’t seen presecution closing but I’ve just watched the last half hour of Baez’s closing prior to the 15 minute recess and I’ve been blown away with a newfound conviction that Casey is innocent of murder.
The question will be what will be the verdict ?
Not guilty of first degree, guilty aggravated and lying.
I think a lot depends on how the jury interprets “reasonable doubt”.
I didn’t see Ashton’s closing and have watched some of Baez. Baez makes some points (duct tape, MySpace/chloroform, car smell, George not calling 911) but then he keeps talking and talking, and pretty soon I’m wondering “Why was that important again?”
I expect the prosecution to satisfactorily respond to everything he’s brought up. Since they’re limited in what they can say*, it’ll be up to the jury to fill in a lot of blanks.
*At least I think they’re limited. Can the prosecution ask the jury to think about why George would allow Casey to face the death penalty if Caylee’s death was an accident?
For me, I didn’t hear enough evidence to prove she wanted to kill her. But as another poster pointed out, if the jury believes she did search for chloroform and used it to sedate her, it is a premeditated felony. The fact that it resulted in a death makes it first degree murder in FL law.
I think they’ll go that route, rendering guilty on all charges.
Let me be the first person to predict that Cindy Anthony will divorce George within 24 months.
They weren’t seated side by side in court today.
Elementary. A no-brainer. Lots of people are sent to prison because they were negligent in some way and the children died.
It was **George’**s house. It was George’s pool. Babysitting Caylee was George’s responsiblity. If George was charged with negligence in the accidental death of Caylee, then George would have went to prison, and George would do anything to stay out of prison. As an ex-cop, George has seen plenty of guilty, and innocent, people sent to prison. As an ex-cop George knew how to get rid of evidence, and how to evade questions.
Covering up the accidental death at George’s house went out of control because George had in no way ever dreamed that this case would get such national attention. At the time of Caylee’s death, George just supposed that Caylee’s disappearance and death would just get lost in the tens of thousands of others. Casey in all probablility allowed her ex-cop father “take care of it” and therefore Casey was complicit.
Originally Posted by Susanann
Let me be the first person to predict that Cindy Anthony will divorce George within 24 months.
Regardless of what happens in Casey’s trial, Cindy will be putting 2 and 2 together after this is over, and Cindy will want answers from George about the tape, about his girlfriend, about getting rid of the body. Cindy had nothing to do with the death nor with the coverup. Cindy will figure things out and Cindy will not stay with George.
Guilty of Murder One.
Chloroform was totally a red herring, and the defense proved that there actually was only “1” (not 84) search for “Chloroform” and it was immediately after Casey’s boyfriend posted chloroform on his Myspace page.
Chloroform, its ingredients, its use, its effects, it forensics, etc. etc. was not found anywhere.
Besides, prosecution said it was George’s** duct tape **that was the murder weapon that smothered and killed Caylee, NOT chloroform.
There’s enough circumstantial evidence that Caylee wasn’t wanted by Casey. That’s all the jury needs to lead them to guilty on all counts.
You seem to be leaning towards some involvement on George’s part. The prosecution got what they wanted to direct the evidence-- all of it-- to only Casey. Her storytelling, actually meeting the police at her FORMER site of employment only to prove she made it all up, plus getting the tattoos and partying, that’s all they’ll need to find her guilty on all counts.
I still feel Caylee’s death was accidental.
Really? Ive seen a 100 photos of Casey and Caylee laughing having fun, and smiling at each other. My guess is that Casey knew full well that the only person who totally loved Casey was Caylee.
Casey is just not smart enough to take a body to an obvious place so close to home where it would be found, without anybody seeing her do it, with nobody driving by while the body was dumped, without leaving any evidence, no dna, no soil samples, no hairs, no fibers, no blood, no nothing…so that even the Florida State Police and the FBI could find nothing at all to link Casey to the crime.
The only thing that puzzles me is that if the body was just 19 feet off the road, how come no joggers, nobody walking their dogs smelled anything? I have never had any problem smelling a dead body decomposing just 19 feet away.
Secondly, that place where they found the body would have been the first place I would search if I was down there back then, and I wonder why none of the searchers took their dogs. My dog, is not a cadaver dog, but he can easily find dead (or alive) animals in the fields and woods with no problem at all. I am sure that if I had searched that area with my dog back then that I(or my dog) would have quickly found Caylee the first week. I just dont get it. If the body was there, it should have been found within days, which is probably what whoever put the body there expected to happen.
5.The body was not “hidden” it was placed there to be found. Casey was not smart enough to put a body where it would be found.
Not certain. I think that the kid died of an accident and then everyone scrambled and screwed up trying to cover it up and save their own asses. I don’t think the state has provided a conclusive case for murder though. Mishandling remains, misleading police, and og knows what else, but they haven’t proven murder conclusively and that bothers me.
So, Susanann, are you buying the “drowned in the pool” story?
I have no idea how she died, and neither does anyone else, not even the medical examiner can tell. However, I would venture to guess that more children die by drownings than by chloroform, therefore, death by drowning would be far more likely (whether it was murder or by accident).
Frankly, I never heard of anyone before this case who planned to do a murder by chloroform, neither have I heard of a parent accidentally killing their child by chloroform. I think killing by chloroform must be a fairly rare occurance. In all my days at the hospital, I never once encountered a death by chloroform.
Bottom line, the state did not “prove” that Caylee died by chloroform, nor did the state link a chloroform murder weapon to Casey.
Murder by chloroform is the strangest, oddist, and hardest to believe prosecution that I have ever heard.
OTOH “if” Caylee did die by drowning, then that would explain Caylee being dressed, by someone, in old smallish clothes that Caylee had grown out of, clothes that neither Cindy nor Casey would have put on Caylee.
Why wait so long to notify police? Matter of fact, if Cindy hadn’t called, when would Casey have revealed the child was missing? Never?
Is Casey that mentally ill? She showed little to no remorse over the loss of her child to the detectives, or the courtroom.
Oh gee Dad, my child is dead hey we need to cover this up??
Something is very very wrong here.
The poll, as constructed, is quite incomplete and misleading.
Casey was charged with first degree murder. First degree murder can, in this case, be by premeditation or application of the felony murder rule (felony child abuse causing a death).
There are also lesser included offenses in the Charge of first degree murder. From what I’ve read in this case they include Second degree murder, Aggravated manslaughter of a child, and Manslaughter. The jury will be instructed on all lesser included offenses and consider them in their deliberation. A first degree conviction can result from the jury finding a premeditated murder or a murder under the felony murder rule. (death during/by aggravated child abuse)
Right. It was not Casey’s idea to hide the body, it probably never occurred to Casey. It was George’s idea to make it look like a kidnapping in order that there were no negligent death charges against him for allowing a child to drown in his pool.
Caylee’s body was hidden just 19 feet from the road in the closest place to the Anthony home where it would surely be found by anyone walking, jogging, walking the dog, or just driving by and smelling the decomposing body. If I had been walking within 19 feet of a decomposing body I would not need my dog to tell me that it was there. I am sure whoever put the body there expected it to be found within days.
As far as Casey, she went into denial and self-blame and Casey probably would never notify the police, esp since her father was “taking care of it”.
Evidently, chloroform has been used in many murders, but not always as the murder weapon. Jack The Ripper was said to have used it’s anaesthetic properties to knock out his victims, but that certainly wasn’t his final weapon. And even with a small child, probably suffocation would be necessary. No sign of that either, lest you’re buying the silly duct-tape idea.
And if she really DID want to knock her out for sleep, or for actually killing Caylee, I doubt she would’ve went through the trouble to get the C. There’s plenty of stuff around the house for that.
Regardless, if Crazy Casey really was consulting her father on a cover up, he must’ve been the world’s worst cop. “Hey, honey, tell them some people whom you’ve never met or worked with suggested this phony nanny. It’ll be foolproof!” 
I must have missed that in the facts and I listened to the testimony on the internet every day. What’s your theory here, that George negligently keep water in the pool in between uses or something which lead to Caylee drowning?
Originally Posted by Susanann
**Murder by chloroform **is the strangest, oddist, and hardest to believe prosecution that I have ever heard.
Of course, I meant chloroform** as the final murder weapon** must be quite rare. Ive never seen it before. Why use chloroform to murder when it is a lot easier to make a poison?
I looked up how to make chloroform, and I just dont see Casey being smart enough, diligent enough, to make chloroform correctly with nobody knowing about it, no sales receipts, no evidence, no bottle of chloroform, no mixing, no wrappers, no cotton with chloroform, etc. It aint that easy to make, and I think Casey is too lazy to go to all that trouble, esp since there are other ways.
Casey was not “consulting with her father”. It was vice versa, it was totally and completely her fathers idea to take over and hide the body. It was not Casey’s idea and it was out of Casey’s hands. It was Casey’s father who threatened and scared Casey. I dont even know why Casey would be able to even think of hiding a body. I doubt it would have occurred to her.