I think she will be found guilty on all three counts, but from what I’ve seen I think the prosecution has only proved the “misleading the police” charge.
What’s everyone’s opinion - is the pouty/scowly expression on Casey’s face her bone structure, or is it just an expression? I hate to say it, but just that look makes me despise her.
StG
It’s an expression. She doesn’t look pouty at all at the hot bod contest.
It sure does. Did the prosecution focus on that? I missed the closing this morning.
Whenever I think “no mother would kill a child because it cramped their lifestyle”, I think of Diane Downs and Susan Smith.
You forgot the Who Gives A Shit option.
Your comments are bizarre, make absolutely no sense, and are contradictory. You think Caylee drowned in the pool, George feared criminal charges related to that, dumped the body where it would be found quickly, and wanted it to look like a kidnapping.
Well, if Caylee drowned and the body was found quickly, it would have been a simple matter to determine the cause of death was drowning in a pool. If George wanted it to look like a kidnapping, why would he want the body found quickly, and why would he dump the body so near to his house? Neither of those would make Caylee’s death look like a kidnapping, nor would an autopsy showing the child had drowned in a pool, which George would know, being an ex-detective.
And the ridiculousness continues. Do you have any idea how common child drownings are in Florida. Florida has more pools than any other state. Drowning is the leading cause of death in Florida for children 4 years old and younger. Do you have any idea how rare it is for parents or guardians to face criminal charges when a child drowns? Also, your view that George would be more (or at all) criminally responsible than Casey, is baseless.
Cite? Now you are escalating the level of silliness. Can you give me just one example of a parent, grandparent, or any other guardian of a child being charged with a felony in Florida due to the accidental drowning of a child? Since this is such an unfortunately common occurrence in Florida, this should be easy for you. (if it were true)
That no implicating DNA, soil, fibers, or hair were found is not an indication that whoever left the body there is a criminal mastermind, it’s simply a result of the amount of time the body was left to the elements.
BTW, you need to change “hung” to Lethal Injection.
And it’s as simple as that. Occam’s Razor. Guilty as charged.
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I have to quote Sampiro’s masterful summation from the other thread
The defense didn’t provide any evidence to back up their wild assertions about George and molestation and their overall story is just inane. If they’d stuck to saying, “the prosecution doesn’t know, and can’t prove, how the child died, or when, or where, which means they don’t know and can’t prove that Casey did it” - I think they’d have a good shot at reasonable doubt. But floating this whole elaborate story, with no evidence for their theory of the event, just makes them look shifty and desperate.
This.
Completely agree. I have zero legal expertise, but I am certain I could have concocted a superior defense strategy. Even if you go with the accidental pool drowning, why even bring George into it? It would be infinitely more believable to say that Caylee accidentally drowned, Casey panicked and didn’t want her parents to blame her, so she covered it up and avoided reality for as long as she could until she was confronted and forced into concocting all manner of lies.
Bringing George into a conspiracy to coverup an accidental drowning adds many layers of complexity, making the story that much more unbelievable, for absolutely no gain. With the lack of hard evidence, and the prosecution’s burden of proof, taking the much more simple approach to the defense would have only left Casey exposed to being convicted of relatively minor charges and probably getting time-served.
And if she copped to being solely responsible for covering up an accident, she could have also claimed that the duct tape was her misguided and irrational attempt to avoid blame from her parents by trying to make it look like a kidnapping. With the defense she used, she had no way to explain away the duct tape, which left it open for the prosecution to use as the murder weapon. (which BTW, is an extremely weak assertion by the prosecution, IMO)
Did the defense put on any evidence whatsoever of this drowning? If not, why was Baez allowed to argue it to the jury?
They had evidence that it was a possibility – that Caylee loved to swim, and that she could open the door to the yard and climb the pool ladder by herself. There was even a photo of Caylee opening the door.
voltaire’s suggested defense is a good one, but the jury would still have to deal with Casey’s behavior afterward – the partying, the tattoo, etc.
The defense had to make it complicated. Confusing the jury was their only hope.
A minimal amount. Mostly evidence about the pool ladder being up, and Caylee being able to leave the house and climb the ladder unaided. No evidence at all as it relates to George being involved. The defense did argue that there was evidence that the drowning was a real possibility, however, they were not allowed to tie George to that claim in any way. The judge had issued about 16 rules to both sides regarding what was not to be allowed in closing arguments. IIRC, unproven facts were not allowed to be discussed due to those 16 rules.
Her drowning is definitely unproven. The only thing proven at all, is that she’s dead.
The chloroform stuff is all completely bogus. There is an IT guy on the jury who will be able to explain it to those who didn’t follow what Baez said.
What the computer searches boils down to is that over the course of several weeks or months (I don’t remember how far back they searched) Facebook was visited 84 times (not all at once … over the course of time). On the day that Casey’s boyfriend put something up on his Facebook page about chloroform the very next thing after the Facebook visit was the search was for chloroform. There was one and only search for it. Even if the prosecution didn’t know they were wrong when they kept hammering “84 times!”, well, even if they didn’t know it, they were wrong.
Arpad Vass is the guy who claimed the level of chloroform was very high. The rest of the investigators (FBI and the like) said the level was very low, nothing at all out of the ordinary. Vass is the guy who teaches classes on finding dead bodies and dead animals with a dowsing rod; he even claims to be able to find dinosaur bones with it. He was once contacted by the James Randi organization and offered a million dollars to demonstrate his claim – he stopped communicating with them.
Chloroform is very easy to make, even by accident. Yes, there are refinements and techniques that should be followed for safety and purity but (don’t try this at home … it gets hot) if you spill some nail polish remover into some clorox, you have chloroform, spill some paint thinner on your pool chlorine, etc. There are hundreds of other household and pool chemicals that could explain high levels of chloroform, however, only Vass said the level was high. The FBI said it was nothing out of the ordinary.
This is just one of the things in the case like this, where the prosecution put on paid witnesses who said something while the police and FBI investigators they didn’t put on the stand said it ain’t so when the defense called them.
I figure the Nancy Grace fan types on the jury will mostly stick with “Fry the bitch” but those who are capable of rational thought will conclude that the actual evidence doesn’t even prove there was a murder, much less who done it. Hung jury.
Nancy Grace is big on frying people, what?
c’mon, you’ve never seen the bitch in action?
No.
*though I take note that she’s a bitch who likes to fry people…