Cat Killer:future people killer?

In My Humble Opinion
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The 14-year old boy in Florida who stole the neighboor’s 12-year old cat, kicked it in the head and stomach, and threw it in a canal for an alligator to eat: do you think he is “normal” and made a mistake or has some serious mental problems?

I think that many children and adults fantasize about hurting other living things e.g. sometimes I think I would like to shoot some of the drivers on the freeway, but thinking about it and actually crossing that invisible line and DOING it, is to me, the difference between “normal” and really f***ed up. I also think that he may end up killing another child or adult, because most serial killers didn’t just decide one day they wanted to go about killing people. They started small.

And if you think about it, would you ever purposely even hurt a defenseless animal? Much less subject it to such a cruel, and terrible death if you were anywhere near a sane human being?

I don’t think he should be punished, just locked up until he’s 18 and treated to the best of the state’s ability. Which I’ll admit may be lacking, but at least he won’t be out there killing things and exempt because he’s a child.

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Boys seem much more inclined to animal cruelty than their female counterparts. (I don’t have a cite, just my own experiences as a child…hearing boys talk about running over cats with lawnmowers and other such heinous things they bragged about, but never did.)

There are 3 well documented precursors to serial killing. Bed wetting and fire starting are the other two.

If he has none of the other indicators, and has not been abused in any way, he is more than likely just a kid with a sick sense of humor, or misplaced frustration.

~J

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I work with kids who have broken the law. Some are violent offenders. Many have a history of animal crualty. Abusing or killing animals is a serious danger sign that a youth needs help.

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I have a table reference from “Serial Murderers and Their Victims” by Eric W. Hickey (Wadsworth Publishing, 91), in which the author examined the pasts of 58 serial killers who confessed to past criminal behaviors. Five percent admitted to animal abuse, child abuse, and arson. I don’t have the figures pertaining to where these behaviors might overlap. From what I know, there can be a link between animal abuse and serial killing, but it’s not necessarily cause and effect.

Also of note, a series of events or traumas tend to occur to gradually influence a person to kill. It is believed that the inability of a person to cope with the stress of traumatic events is the triggering mechanism. The 14-year-old may have abused the cat in trying to deal with trauma in his life. Therapy would certainly be in order sooner rather than later. Incarceration, however, might possibly compound the problem, as in reference to the aforementioned study, 43% of the 58 killers had spent time in prison or an institution prior to killing.

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Why is bed wetting a red flag to serial killing? Is it the shaming of it?

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I agree with Roadwalker: “Abusing or killing animals is a serious danger sign that a youth needs help”.
Former FBI profiler, John Douglas, has said serial killers have what has come to be known as the “homicidal triad” - late bedwetting, pyromania, and animal torture.

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In my psych classes, the professors discussed a correlation between animal torture/murder and future sociopathic behaviour.

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The boy has serious mental issues for sure. I don’t think locking him up until he’s 18 is going to help much though. Four years behind bars will more than likely make him want to be violent to humans as well as animals.

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There isn’t any good answer to this is there? There is no place to put someone like him for treatment unless his parents agree he needs counseling and have the money to pay for it. His father says he regrets what he did and has been crying for two days. My guess is that budding psychopaths learn what behavior to exhibit to appear normal. I was thinking he should be put in a juvenile prison but on the other hand I’ve heard terrible things about those places. I’ve lived long enough to have lost my illusions that most people change; most are set on their path at a young age, either by environment or genetics. All that would do is protect the rest of us until he is an adult and is subject to the adult legal system.

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“Cat Killer” was Ice-T’s best song EVER!

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Sigh. I’m a horrible person, because my first thought after reading the little sypnosis you gave of the incident was “Singapore cane. Me. Him. Five minutes. He won’t do it again.”

On a more cool-headed level, he’s fucked up. That boy’s father needs to get him into therapy. I don’t know if cat killer automatically equals people killer, but my brain says that cat killer does equal little boy who will grow up to be a fucking asshole who doesn’t see anything wrong with slapping his wife and children around to keep them in line.

Fucking people!

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A little three-year-old girl in the church I grew up in–one of six kids, from a, shall we say, “alternative” family–was caught picking up an entire litter of kittens and throwing them into a water-filled ditch.

Now, I don’t have a three year old–haven’t had a kid–but does that sound normal? It really disturbed me.

Her older ten-year-old sister also kept a turtle in a fishtank filled with water to the point that he had nowhere to rest; every time I saw that poor, eternally-swimming turtle I would dump out some of the water and put a brick in the tank, so he’d have somewhere to rest…after telling the girl that turtles are not fish and they do need/enjoy land of some kind.

But every time I saw the turtle again, he’d be up to his eyeballs in water. No brick in sight.

I wish, looking back, that I’d just stolen the turtle and let him go, but I was only thirteen myself at the time and just didn’t have the nerve.

Does anyone else think this was deviant behavior?

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Audrey, the thing is, you knew what was wrong and right as far as the turtle was concerned, but the girl who owned it and the rest of her family, including the adults, didn’t. I would have taken the turtle. In fact, I’ve been known to “steal” animals whom I think have been treated cruelly. My life of crime started when I was maybe 8 or so. It included stealing a mangy old cat and her kittens that hung around my school, which I later found out were supposedly the beloved pets of someone who lived next to the school. When I got older I stole my neighbour’s duck and later, their Rottweiler. I got bolder as I got older…I walked onto a property on a major highway here and stole two goats who I noticed were tied up everyday on a very short chain in full sun in the middle of our summer without water. More recently I stole 9 racehorses that were on their way to the knackery…well, I actually paid the owner a few thousand quid as an incentive to let me have them, but stealing racehorses makes me sound much more hardcore.

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This kind of thing always makes me feel sick to my stomach. It’s like killing an infant: they can’t fight back because they’re helpless. What a sick way to exert your dominance.

Nitpick not all animals are defenseless. Compared to humans, however? A little more so, yes.
Lord, no, I’d never hurt an animal. The only reason I would ever harm an animal would be if I was defending myself or another person.

Since when is incarceration not punishment?

Necromancer, have you ever had encounters with the law or unhappy pet owners?

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Good for you Necromancer!

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SFT, fortunately I’ve had no problems with the law or unhappy pet owners. touch wood I suspect that’s partly because they couldn’t care less about the animals in the first place, so I probably did them a favour.
I have also payed to have most of my neighbour’s cats and dogs desexed. After a while they came around and saw the sense of it (especially seeing as they didn’t have to bother taking the animal to the vet and paying for it), so there haven’t been any problems there either. We’re all still on talking terms so they’re cool and are used to me by now.

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I’ve seen firsthand the work of animal torturers. I can send you the pictures, I took them. They’re linked to in my Pit thread, just search for a title with “Rat Bastards” (the boards are extremely slow right now. I’ll provide a link in a while.)

Since this thread’s title mentions a method of killing animals that almost makes torture implicit, I’ll go into detail. After that, I’m going to personally invite Aloha Aloha in here to tell you some more about animal killers. As manager of the Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority, she will be able to provide accurate and detailed (depending upon her intensely busy schedule) information concerning pet killers, their crimes and the known criminal “gateway” symptoms they represent.

Facts:

Zen, my wolf-hybrid was on death’s door at the vet’s after consuming rat poison (he’s +100% well now). Minutes before I discovered Zen so ill, I had read a newspaper article about two teenagers catching and killing house cats in a rich suburb of Silicon Valley just near where I first lived here.

WARNING: ANIMAL KILLING DETAILS

They were taking known house pets and sometimes tying them singly or side by side together on the railroad tracks. They doused the animals with gasoline and lit them on fire. They were apprehended after a witness notified police. The suspects’ vehicle contained a concealed living cat, rope and more gasoline. THE TWO TEENAGE MALES WERE FROM HOMES THAT HAD PETS!

I weep to type this.

Ever seen an animal live without it’s skin? This one did for several days, its name was Chubbs. The cat’s owners were in the lobby at the vet’s weeping together with the veterinarians and staff. I slowly was able to piece together what I was overhearing and embraced the grief stricken couple as well.

If you could see their two distraught faces and then the flayed flesh of their beloved and now dead animal, you might reconsider any question about leniency for convicted pet killers. Chubbs held on to the very end, purring and "making biscuits whenever the horrified vets tried to do any work. The animal’s entire anal area was so charred and disfigured that this condition alone prevented any chance of survival in a normal fashion.

THIS IGNORES HOW THE ANIMAL LIVED FOR SEVERAL DAYS WITHOUT MOST OF ITS SKIN (+75% BURNS OVER ITS ENTIRE BODY)! THE ANIMAL’S EARS WERE BURNED OFF OF ITS HEAD!

By some cosmic chance, I was there in the lobby as seasoned veterinarians wept trying to console this heartbroken young couple about euthanizing their only pet cat. The couple repeated over and over how Chubbs was so shy and would never have approached strangers. (These pet killers had to chase down and catch this animal.) I gave it all a moment’s thought and asked to owner’s permission to create a photo essay with my finest Nikon lenses. All present agreed that this would serve as best evidence against these budding psychopaths.

You’ll probably be able to find the pictures online at the thread if you really want to. If you have any doubts as to what I say, merely email me with a request and I’ll consider sending you some images. I don’t need the photos as the scenes are permanently engraved in my memory.

A sort of raw nearly completely skinned and partially roasted cat with a tiny bit of fur left that was living just hours before in the midst of insane agony for almost a week. I lost all compassion for pet killers in that room.

END of ANIMAL KILLING DETAILS

I’m going to go get Aloha Aloha now, so she can help finish the tale. (Don’t all have heart attacks at once, now…) I want you to hear it straight from a qualified executive who deals with this hideous crime on far too routine of a basis. You might wish to have a better understanding about the impact this has on people’s lives and the unbelievably ghoulish extremities these beloved pets are put through.

I’ll close with a single example. The long term outlook for heart attack survivors improves 50% for patients who are pet owners. Try and imagine what the loss of their pet would mean to such a person. For many elderly people, their pets are exactly (and often understandably) like family and their health can literally pivot upon that of the animal’s. We won’t even talk about the astronomical vet bills involved in these heinous cases and the financial burden placed upon the hapless owners.

Zenster [who is still weeping]
[Arnie]

I’ll be back!

[/Arnie]

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Zenster, what a horrifying story!! How ever can a person who would even do something like this be rehabilitated? I question whether therapy can even help animal abusers. Anyone out there know the statistics on animal abuser rehabilitation success? Why not just fry the f_ckers…what use could they possibly provide society?

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Linkity link.

These boards are incredibly slow tonight. It’s driving me sane.

My first post in this thread has some details wrong but I don’t recommend reading the descriptions in both threads just to look for my narrative mistakes. Trust me, it was all pretty traumatic.

WhetherMan, you’ll be getting the rest of the story soon. Your jaw will drop.

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Lets hope the tank is full.

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