You mean in Virginia you have to pass a shooting test with regular follow-ups when you renew your CCW license?
I don’t know - but I do know you have to demonstrate competence in gun safety before being issued with the permit. The standard way of doing this is a CCW course.
Maybe other people know what the requirements are in their states, but I would bet the majority of states that issue CCW permits require some training first.
And interestingly enough, I just looked at a bunch of state constitution provisions and they pretty commonly add the rider that the state is permitted to regulate concealed carry.
To ask again - how do you feel about open carry laws in public? Is it only concealed carry to which you are opposed?
Sure. Oh, some other “exceptions” where you’re not allowed to drive: the interior of pretty much any building not a parking garage, anybody else’s property without their knowledge and consent, anyplace the government says you can’t. And if you screw up following the rules, even new ones promulgated since you got licensed, your privilege can be taken away temporarily or permanently.
Works for me.
Is this true? Wouldn’t it be more likely that they can withdraw their permission to allow you to drive there, but otherwise it is presumed you can, at least in some situations? I mean, I don’t have to call you in advance to get permission to drive down your driveway to your front door, do I?
And I would absolutely include a right of private property owners to exclude firearms from their property - I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t support that.
Well, hell, me too. I agree on the training. (I disagree on the government enforced necessity, simply cause I dislike being forced to do something by the guv’mint. Philosophical point, libertarian issue, agree to disagree on the matter.) People who don’t know guns got no business walking around with one. And we don’t have the right to carry concealed enshrined. Just to own 'em and use 'em. Concealed is a matter of state law.
Being armed is a fundamental human right, but I don’t tell other countries how to live. I can try to educate their citizens, and the citizens tell the other countries how to live. There’s a difference. If not having a gun works for England, I’m not going to start running around and yapping about how they all need to have guns. I’m just going to accept that the subjects of England have given their right up in their social contract.
You can not possibly be that dumb. Fred Phelps is not that dumb. Oh wait, I get it, you’re trying to “make a point” when your don’t have one. Carry on.
I’m not trying to get into the debate, but this site has links you can search for individual state laws. Most states seem to have some requirement that you take a course on gun safety before you get a permit.
No, no, WD, we’re all still waiting. In a passive, background way, of course, not with any real expectations. I mean, we’ve all got other things to do before we die.
I’ll try to speed the process up a tad. It looks as though your prior statement that you’d accept the same restrictions on gun permits as exist on driving licenses was a little optimistic. Your instant resort to feeble insult rather than feeble argument tends to confirm a certain short-sightedness. For example, I’m on record as being against repeal of the second amendment and outlawing handguns. But my opinion could change if I meet one too many braying jackasses who want to be armed braying jackasses.
Villa, I was thinking more along the lines of Weirddave’s tooling around my back forty. A driveway is an invitation to drive, no question, though it’s one that can be revoked and reinstated at the owner’s discretion with no more enforcement needed than a piece of string and a hand-lettered sign.
Bah! You don’t need a gun for self defense. You need a cellphone.
Have fun discussing this with him. He has a short attention span and tends to flit off when you start to present him with information.
Not going to go post-by-post, but you just might be surprised with the sheer number of people that seem to think so.
Is that all it takes? I’m so embarrassed. From now on I’ll just swat him one with the Farmers’ Almanac.
Meanwhile, any serious folks might want to take note. Most people want gun owners to be able to keep them, in spite of their misgivings. The day most people realize they know even one person who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near anything so dangerous is the day that tolerance will change. So, gun owners (and those who want to be), do your best to not be the person who changes someone’s mind, okay?
What are we waiting for? My response was that CC should be allowed by people who pass the test with a few basic restrictions. Your response was…well, I don’t know what your response was. At the time of my last post I thought that you were proposing that those restrictions be “the interior of pretty much any building not a parking garage, anybody else’s property without their knowledge and consent, anyplace the government says you can’t.” which would be pretty much the same as forbidding CC anywhere there are people, which is what prompted my response. Now I reread and it seems that you are saying that those are places you can’t drive a car. O.K., those are places you can’t drive a car. What does that have to do with carrying concealed?
Sorry, fellow Dopers, for not responding further in this thread, but I have been battling with Earthlink since Sunday vis-à-vis my DSL line that is very unreliable these days and only stays connected a few minutes at a time. They say the issue should be resolved in the next 48 hours but in the meantime I probably won’t be posting.