Note that bit about mocking: people don’t like to be mocked.
Yes. I remember a line or three in Tom Clancy’s Executive Orders when some reporters are trying to dig up some dirt. “Why should I trust you? You’re reporters.” It was some surprise to me when I learned via the Dope that America’s news organisations are historically biased.
Amen brother.
There’s a lot more but I think that quoting much more would go beyond Fair Use. Suffice it to say that it’s worth reading.
I’ll just finish with part of his final reflection:
Seems to me that that is the mainstream realizing that those are also consumers of news that have to be catered for.
Now as I did not see any mention of how much the MSM also helped Trump by giving him free publicity I have to say that that opinion piece is also hilariously wrong in a way:
The point that they should had looked at how people were suffering though is one that goes to the corporate nature of the media, as Chomsky noted before in general it would had been very bad for the mainstream (specially for news reporters as they would be accused of being “obtuse” or rabble rousers) to point out constantly on the raw deal that corporations were doing to the people on the rust belt. While it would look as if that would benefit the right wing, in reality an early focus on that would had turned that to be the issue that was discussed. And I do think that that early focus would had benefited the progressives more than the status quo.
The media is still complicit on the stupid coverage of non issues that we got.
By mocking and demonizing Trump supporters you killed any chance of reaching them.
I always tried to explain that I was a solid conservative and voting for Clinton because I had good reasons, and I like to think I made some inroads. I take some credit for keeping Virginia in her column.
But what this author describes is real. and it doesn’t go away by calling her stupid, racist, or bigoted.
To be honest, I’m not quite following her logic. She’s mad that Clinton wanted to lean on Qatar and Saudi Arabia because? in spite of? donations they made to the Clinton Foundation?
So if the pressure was there that contribution sounds more like an attempt to influence a possible future Clinton administration, but what I saw was no evidence that that reduced the pressure, it would be like assuming that Trump was really an insider or tried to change policy by also contributing to the Clinton foundation.
Of course that more nuanced point did not enter into the mind of that voter, so I don’t think that she was a racist, just ignorant.
I think there is a rush to call people bigots on the left, true. Not every Trump voter is a bigot. But he probably got the vast majority of the bigots who voted.
Pretending that bigotry isn’t part of his campaign isn’t any better than pretending that bigotry is omnipresent in his supporters. He ran an overtly prejudiced campaign. Muslims, Mexicans, women. Many of his voters either don’t know that, or prioritize their own perceived benefits over Muslims being locked out of the country, or blacks being stopped and frisked, or Mexican families being shattered.
I get that if you’re in the middle of the country suffering because the plant closed down, you’re pissed, and you want someone to bring the manufacturing jobs back. And that one thing is what you can vote on. The sad part, is that Trump has no intention of bringing manufacturing jobs back. He has no intention of doing anything but strutting like a peacock.
How could you fault HRC for mentioning to Podesta that Qatar and Saudi Arabia were clandestinely providing ISIL with support and that we had to do something about it? WTF, lady. You think she should have praised them for it? That’s the way your post seems to read.
I never wanted to try to convince Trump voters to change. They were infected with the sickness and had to be quarantined, IMHO. My comments were always to let people who were undecided not to join the ranks of the lads and lassies without the intelligence to understand the difference between completely unqualified and corrupt Trump and the woman who had been unfairly tagged for years with the scarlet ‘S’ for Scandal!!! but who was, by any rational measure, the far superior candidate. I will not apologize for telling Trump supporters they were making a horrible choice and that no rational person would join them. No way.
The difference being, racists actually exist, and do, in fact, make up some portion of his supporters. The alt-right and white supremacist branches are all in for teh Don.
To be clear, the title comes from the title of the quoted article. I am not a woman, an immigrant, or a Muslim. I’m a Hispanic Roman Catholic man who voted for Clinton.
But as I read her article, she seems to suggest that Clinton is acknowledging in the Podesta mail that Qatar and Saudi Arabia were clandestinely providing ISIL with support and simultaneously enriching herself via the Clinton Foundation with donations from Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
And that seems like at least a legitimate area of question. Notice that you immediately go to, “WTF lady.”
I agree. Although, it’s certainly a factor. He would’t be president without them.
I think because he’s a rallying cry for racists, and is himself pretty racist (if you assume what he said about Mexicans and Muslims, his support for stop-and-frisk, demonizing black communities and so on constitutes racism) then at the least, those that voted for him either don’t know he’s racist, or don’t care. Not knowing is certainly plausible, we have a fantastically ignorant electorate.
Not caring the president is racist is pretty shitty IMHO, even if he plans to cut your taxes a few percent (while skyrocketing the deficit). So the liberals who are aghast at Trump supporters are assuming that casting a vote for a known racist is itself, pretty shitty.
And … your point? There is also a vast population of the economically disadvantaged who vote directly against their own interests to bolster the status of the very plutocracy that is screwing them. I think it’s been well established that there is a substantial demographic of uninformed stupid voters, and that the majority of them are Trump supporters. It’s hardly a surprise that a few might be Muslim, and a few might be Mexican.
Reading the quotes, this particular woman seems to have her perspective skewed into the shape of a pretzel with some of it protruding into unknown dimensions, and her priorities totally upside down. As I said in a different thread where someone disagreed with Hillary’s policy toward Syria, it’s like firing your chauffeur because he once made a rolling stop at a stop sign, and opting instead to be driven around by a drunken monkey. The quality of the judgment here is very seriously lacking. But it makes provocative press.
My point is that if the reaction to her concerns when she shared them was a thoughtful and nuanced, “I see your point, but…” as opposed to the crapstorm she describes getting, then perhaps she could have been shown that there was some value in reweighing her choice. As it was, she retreated into silence… but voted T.
Who is “we” Kimosave? As pointed many times there were very good examples of that racism, I did and continue to see that as just part of the reason Trump won, the mistake is to report that all were racists, and I have to say here that the CBS opinion needs a big cite to show that the reporting from CBS and other big media companies was making that accusation. AFAIK most reporting always pointed out that most Trump followers that are not racists should condemn what Trump was tweeting or saying.
I do remember other CBS reports pointing that people like Pence also ignored the older people that were affected by the loss of old manufacturing jobs. So CBS Business reported the obvious, Trump was in lala land by promising that those jobs would be back.
The deadly mistake was then to ignore the raw deal that was going on for many that did lose jobs, only Trump ended talking about a subject that should had been a natural for a progressive, but not natural for the corporate media and yes, a candidate like Clinton. I do think that if the focus had been there by the media that then Clinton would had been all over that too.