Has anyone noticed that Hillary won by a bigger % than Trump in the states that she won and that Trump won by a small margin in the states that he won?
Florida close, North Carolina close, Pennsylvania close … was the media to blame in just the close states or all of the states?
And while we’re at it, let’s reflect on the so-called ‘patriotism’ that Republicans display in voting for someone they know will be a bad leader for the country.
Let the rationalization (and self-preening) continue.
Perhaps they considered Clinton a worse leader?
Because statements can be defended as accurate, and yet convey bias.
I posted a subtle example in another thread:
The first two incidents are reported as absolutely factual: they happened. The students definitely chanted. The swastika definitely appeared.
And that’s undoubtedly accurate.
But the next incident is described as appearing to show. Despite the fact that there’s no video of the chanting, it’s reported as a certainty; despite the fact that there is video of the attack, it’s qualified as merely appearing to show the attack.
Now, which statement is inaccurate? Neither! I agree the incidents all happened, and I certainly agree the video appears to show the attack.
But the reader takes away a subtle doubt about the video.
That’s why “accuracy,” alone is not a defense to bias.
Look, I am horrified that we elected Trump.
I don’t want to see Democrats elected either.
I am not trying to steer the Democrats here to help them win. I want to steer them away from the kind of behavior that made lots of voters vote for Trump. That happened. Your denials are unavailing. Article after article has been shared here, from Trump voters, sharing that they were tired of being bullied on social media for conservative beliefs, mocked for conservative feelings, called racists when their critiques of Obama were policy-based. THAT HAPPENED. You may choose to continue denying it as you wish. But lots of voters felt it anyway, notwithstanding your denials.
That’s a reality. At one time, liberals claimed to occupy a reality-based community. Is that community capable of engaging and addressing that reality?
And yet you almost voted for him. That does affect how anything you might have to post comes across.
Like that.
You know better. than that. You also know just what Trump said that struck the loudest chords.
The reality is that there are far more Americans capable of deplorability than we typically thought - and they flock to the same party you do. “Policy-based” my ass.
And nothing Trump said was in any way related to reality. But you know that too, right?
It did? The major criticisms that I can recall hearing were that Obama was an impostor, unqualified to be president because he was born in Kenya (as confidently asserted for years by the current president-elect); that he was Muslim; that he was going to establish Sharia law, declare martial law, and send all conservatives to detainment camps. Are those the kinds of “policy-based” criticisms that you’re referring to?
Or maybe you mean criticism of Obamacare. They hated Obamacare, but they liked the ACA until they found out it was the same thing. People generally supported its features when asked about them directly, but they just somehow hated the idea of it, just on some kind of principle they heard about on Fox News, something to do with “socialism” and “government-run health care”.
Obama is the most intelligent, patient, tolerant, self-aware person who has held the office of the president in living memory. Yet he was hated by your crew with a venomous passion. I don’t know how he put up with it. If I had been in Obama’s position I would have retired to Hawaii with a great big “fuck you” to his critics years ago. No one needs this kind of abuse. The nation owes him a debt of gratitude for his sacrifice.
I also have difficulty knowing what the take-away should be from you analysis. It’s a lot like saying that the inmates of the insane asylum eventually got tired of being called insane, and they revolted and took over the asylum. When a party’s policy decisions are very far removed from reality and consistently have negative results (e.g. - Bush II) and the opposite is true (e.g.- Clinton) this becomes a valid analogy. Ironically, the backlash over your alleged mistreatment of conservatives has resulted in the most incredible departure from reality ever seen in American politics, the election of a lying, ignorant, bigoted demagogue whose entire platform was based on fabrications and ridiculous hyperbole.
Oh, and while we’re at it, please tell me more about how before the election it was all “Death before any change of yours” from conservatives and now it’s “But…but…can’t we all just get along?”
Please, lecture me some more about hypocrisy.
That’s flat-out bullshit. No objective mind could find Trump a better leader than Clinton. But then we’re not talking about objective minds, are we? Truthiness and all.
That’s your opinion. Other people may have thought differently.
Perhaps it’s attitudes like that cost Clinton the election?
Are you speaking about yourself?
Not the party of “no.” The party of “Hell no.”
Who is the party of reflexive opposition going to oppose now?
Oh, right - each other.
For those already angry about their condition and status, they can find some solace in other angry voices - like Fox News and alt-right websites. These sources have been loudly proclaiming Hillary’s criminality and her own deplorability for years, along with Obama’s. Obama they couldn’t pin down since he didn’t have any big ethical or sexual scandals that involved him personally. Clinton has, particularly since Bill was lumped beside her, despite his pretty high popularity numbers when he left office.
Hillary was essentially right - there are two overall camps within Trump supporters. Those who already believe the worst about Clinton (she ordered or at least knew about the murder of Vince Foster, she purposefully did nothing and allowed the four people in Benghazi to die because she didn’t care, Clinton knowingly sold foreign access to the State Dept. for Clinton Foundation donations, etc.), that they are willing to excuse Trump all of his massive personal and policy flaws. And those who haven’t fully bought in to the Alex Jones/Breitbart koolaid but were willing to excuse any and all of Trump’s personal flaws and some of his “misguided” policies in order to keep the Supreme Court conservative. The Supreme Court seems to have been the biggest issue among those who really held their nose in order to vote for Trump knowing he is as odious as he is.
Yes.
No.
To pick one example, I pointed out that both Sotomayor and Kagan were not great choices for the Supreme Court, although both were certainly qualified. But both appeared to believe that the role of a judge is to help shape the law in guiding the development of wise social policy. I believe that the role of federal judges should be umpires, applying the legislative language to the facts of particular cases.
I said that in my view, it’s not wise social policy to force consumers to buy health care.
This is a principle: a principle related to the proper role of government as I see it. Being “free” in a society should mean the freedom to decide how to manage your health care, and health plans that did not meet the minimum standards of the ACA were not permitted – contrary to the promise “If you like your health plan, you can keep it.”
Are you saying that this thread is the first time you heard those specific critiques of the President?
No, there’s video of the chanting. The attack certainly happened, but there isn’t anything in the video that confirms that it was the result of the girl supporting Trump (although I don’t doubt it). Maybe the person who wrote the article wasn’t sure the first video existed, but if they were, the wording doesn’t seem biased, to me.
My mistake, then, as to the lack of video.
But that doesn’t change my overall point. There’s also video of the attack.
You don’t think that there’s any bias at all in how the two sets of events were related.
Hey, you guys wanna see where CBS really was enabling Trump?
There. Not because they called his supporters stupid or evil. Not because they called him stupid or evil. But because they do virtually nothing to call him out on his obscene, abnormal words and deeds. They act more or less like this is just another news article, instead of “potential future leader of the free world refuses to accept democratic norms, holy fucking shit you guys”. The normalization of reporting on Trump, the acceptance that this is a thing… That’s the great crime of the media this time around.
But *both *sides do it! :rolleyes:
Interesting article. But this.
, in this election, that was clearly a sign of an extremely successful campaign.
I disagree with you and agree with Bricker. Yes, Hell has frozen over.
The Democratic Party ran a despicable campaign of no policy and all insults that started with eviscerating Bernie Sanders supporters.
Her campaign called us sexists, misogynists, Communists, violent, basement dwellers who weren’t “real” Democrats. Her surrogates relegated us to Hell for not supporting her, and said we were only with Bernie for the boys, and only wanted “free stuff.” We were all white, twenty-something “Bros” who hate strong women.
Her supporters called us swamp donkeys, thugs, assholes, twats, pussyface, retarded cunts, sag tits, spoiled Jew brats, mutts and douche bags. We were asked if we could use the bathroom on our own, how it feels to be an old troll, were told to fuck off, go to Hell and they didn’t need or want our votes. I have documented evidence of every single thing here, so feel free to challenge me if you want.
And the only candidate who was scolded like a five-year-old to rein in his “violent” supporters by the complicit, partisan DNC was Bernie Sanders. They even forced him to denounce made-up violence that never happened.
She got exactly what she deserved for looking down her nose at the very voters she’d need to become president. Including disaffected Republicans who flocked to Bernie in droves during the primaries, but whom they were willing to concede because they arrogantly thought they had a blue firewall and didn’t need to appeal to us plebes.
Baskets full of deplorables and Bernie Bros took her down. But she and her supporters are still unwilling to do a damn bit of self reflection.
Good luck in 2018 with that attitude.