Creationists, and I know there are many of you on this message board. I have a challenge for you. I want you to sciencetificly prove to me that evolution is flawed. The only stipulation is you can’t invoke god into this.So go ahead using science prove to me evolution is a fairy tale.
With all due respect:
- Learn to use the search function
- Read the threads found in said search
- Summary of many many many threads: We still believe in evolution. We’re not bible literalists. Beliving in the idea of creationism and the concept of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
** Xan ** Hate to tell you this , bud, but no one is going to go to a Creationist/evolution thread posted by a guy who just joined when they can go to one of the dozen others posted by oldies.
(that’s one heck of a run-on sentence)
Sorry.
No offense. 
Welcome to the Boards!
P.S. You know, if you can think of a different slant on the creation vs. evolution thing, we’d be interested. Or give us your personal opinion, and ask for discussion. But yet another straightforward “Oh, yeah? Prove it!” thread is SO last year…
I’m afraid the Creationists won’t rise to the challenge mate.
Here are a few links to discussions similar to the one you’ve attempted to raise. I don’t recall a creationist ever coming up with anything more than pseudo-scientific insinuations as a challenge to Evolution.
Evolution Debate has NO theological significance
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=67296&pagenumber=2
Something I don’t understand about “teaching” Creationism
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=64327
Post here if you don’t believe in God because of Evolution
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=62609
Why would God create people this stupid?
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=60065
There are plenty more but I don’t want to go back further and risk digging up old conflicts.
Well if you must know what I think ;). I think a little of both.I believe in a being higher than myself that created the universe but just kinda let life develop on its own. Life finds a way. That seems to me what he/she is doing now.Unless the divine influence is just so small that its not noticed but still makes an impact. My uncle is a minister and I guess he could be called a creationist. He said that evolution was impossible or something like that. When I asked him why he kind of avoided the question by saying something about God. I just want to know how they validate their opinion. I know this has been debated time and time again on SD message boards but I don’t understand most of what is said in the older threads. Why do they avoid the issue. I mean maybe evolution is wrong but right now its the best theory. I go by facts not faith. Right now evolution makes the most sense to me.
Gosh, Xan, you really went nuts with the new threads in here. Welcome to the board, but you probably want to use the search engine to see how many “evolution” threads there have been.
Think of it this way. If you have debated it in your head, we’ve probably debated it here extensively.
If you have a new angle, then it might be cool.
I wrote a nifty little paper that addresses your question, but I don’t have access to it(or my own username) from where I am responding so I’ll paraphrase.
Evolution requires a starting point, some sort of basic organism capable of reproducing itself. Ealier, evolutionists believed that this first organism was a self replicating strand of DNA, but molecular biology pretty much shot this apart due to the chemical properties of DNA.
Evolutionists then moved on to RNA as the first organism. This still poses a problem, however, as the prebiotic environment doesn’t really facilitate the creation of organic polymers like RNA. First, there are several chemicals in the prebiotic ocean that cause organic chemicals to either break down, or become useless due to another chemical bond. Second, many of the organic chemicals themselves react destructively with each other, and would have to remain seperated until they were needed, which is quite a task for a random system. Third, the chemicals that make RNA are chiral, which means they have (chemically) right-handed and left-handed versions. In order for an RNA molecule to be able to replicate properly, it has to be made of all right-handed or all left-handed molecules, which means that the right- and left-handed molecules have to be seperated, another tricky thing for a random system. Fourth, an strand of RNA with the ability to replicate itself would take at least 40 polypeptides in a precise order (and 2^40 is a rather large number), but since the strand also needs a rudimentary metablism it would be a good deal longer, the chances of this RNA assembling by chance is re-god-darn-diculous. Finally, since RNA can’t replicate itself without another identical RNA strand, this all would need to happen twice, in a very small area.
Basically, evolution has yet to find a viable starting point. From the research I have done, evolution requires you to accept spontaneous generation of simple organisms, and that is a leap of faith i refuse to take.
As for creationism, I don’t think that you can ever prove that God created life. There is, though, a good deal of evidence supporting the theory that something created life, but that could be anything: God, aliens, or even just some fundamental force of the universe(which would really just be an extension of evolution).
Teddust
No, it doesn’t.
You may not have noticed but it’s rather a large universe (plus the amount of time it’s been around is also quite large).
C’mon HideoHo your statement sums up to saying ‘this is most unlikely therefore it’s impossible’ - you want me to accept that on faith or can you prove that unlikely=impossible?
Exactly. Evolution only requires that organisms show evidence of change. And they do.
Oh, hold on.
I think I get HideoHo’s point now.
See, astrophysics requires a starting point. Without an origin to the universe, astrophysics cannot exist. Therefore all we know about the motion of stellar objects is wrong.
It’s all so clear now.