Post #289:
Someone a few posts ago made a passing reference to Dark Shadows.
Any chance it is Louis Edmonds (Roger Collins in DS)? Dark Shadows ran from 1966-71, so in the right time-frame.
I couldn’t find a great picture of Edmonds in a quick search, especially in profile, but he does have that wavy hair. Here’s the best pic I could find on short notice:
http://www.centsible.net/images/squidoo/louis-edmonds.jpg
Why would Richman be denying it then?
Just coming into this, but it’s been bugging me all morning now. I recognize this guy. I remember disliking him. The tight, skinny-guy stance, the smug smirk, the way he’s insulting someone. When he faced the camera his cheeks were unpleasantly full, despite his slim build. I remember his energy being very unpleasant. All of which means he had to be around until at least 1973, which is about the time I’d have learned the word “smug.”
Whoever he is, Carol Burnett will definitely remember him. He has just made an insulting joke, and she is trying hard to keep it funny. They have history. Marlo is very uncomfortable being in the crossfire, and Robert Young is hoping someone behind the camera will do something about his behavior. The folks in the back row don’t seem to be paying attention, or perhaps his joke was a compliment to Ms. Valentine at the expense of Ms. Burnett. Danny Thomas is trying to connect with Campbell, who looks chagrinned.
It’s really, really, not Richman. Chin too broad to be MM.
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Ah, I see. Thanks.
However, the guy is pushing 90 and could be so senile that he may not even remember who he is. That response of his sounded a bit paranoid. Alzheimer’s is not pretty.
As for Louis Edmonds, no, it’s not him.
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Well, it’s not Peter Mark Richman.
As I mentioned in post # 171, I contacted Mr. Richman through his website. Here is his reply, in its entirety:
Quote:
Originally Posted by **PMR
DEAR [BUMBERSHOOT]…THE FOTO IS NOT ME. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. LET IT REST.
PETER MARK RICHMAN **
So I guess that narrows it down just a little!
Oh, and I wrote back, thanking him for his reply and apologizing for bothering him.
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I’d suggest someone then contact one of the other celebrity’s websites to see if they remember and can provide a definitive answer. Better hurry though, our choices are dwindling. Robert is gone, as are Danny and Ed, Glen is… well, he may not be the best choice. There’s Karen, Marlo, Carol, James Brolin. One of them is bound to remember.
Or has this been suggested already? It is a long thread.
(Of no consequence but interesting in the pic, the huge ashtrays on the tables and the Andromeda Strain-like green shag carpet creeping up from floor to couch. Here I thought that only happened at Graceland.)
I really wonder whether any of them would, though. I can hardly place where I was on any particular day only a couple of years ago, let alone 40+ years. And it’s easy to conflate memories of different occasions and have memory play other tricks, at least in my experience.
And give a rat’s butt.
They have to remember and give a rat’s butt about it. It’s the last part that might trip you up. Even if some…many…most of those living aren’t all that main stream and might not get that much attention now, they still have to care enough to respond.
But surely seeing their own picture with him might jog a memory, no?
Also the people behind johnnycarson.com. Have yet to hear from them.
If it’s a real nobody they’ll remember the day they sat with all those celebrities. If it’s a producer, maybe not. I wonder if it’s the photographer getting them set up for the picture while one of his assistants snapped this photo.
My point is that the people in the photo are interacting much too closely for it to be a photoshop hoax. The body language is very clear. And he’s not just a random unknown guy, I recognize him.
Hell, you can show me pictures of me with people I went to school with for 12 years and I might not remember their name.
Photographs of unrelated people who look like they could be related-- in some cases, they could pass for each other. It was a photo-essay published by a Quebec photographer.
The guy looks familiar to me too, but on the other hand, he looks very similar to a half dozen of the people who have been mentioned, and there’s nothing especially striking about him, like Campbell’s height, or, say, Jay Leno’s chin, that I’m willing to accept that he just has a familiar-type face.
Plus, he’s in nearly full profile. We don’t know how wide his face is, or how wide-set his eyes are. It’s hard even to tell whether he has a heart-shaped face, or a rectangular face.
Anyone think this could be Gore Vidal? He was a frequent guest/friend of Johnny, but I don’t know why he’d be with this group.
Here’s a pic of GV circa 1969
Man, I wish someone would add to the thread title “And no, it’s NOT Peter Alan Richman!” 
Because while he’s ninety-hundred years old, his daughter also denies it, and presumably she’s seen pictures of her father when he was fifty (indeed, she was probably alive at the time). Is there proof he has Alzheimer’s, by the way? Where does that bit of info come from?
For those who need proof that the 1970 Photoplay awards existed, the official John Wayne site and the Encyclopedia.com entry for James Brolin both list them as winners of that award that year (Brolin for best newcomer, Wayne for the Gold award).
Also, I found mention of the following:
The 1966-67 Photoplay awards (45th annual) were presented on a special edition of the Merv Griffen Show.
The 1968-69 awards (47th annual) were presented on the Joey Bishop Show in 1969. (Blurb about them: LOVELY DIAHANN CARROLL, popular NBC - TV star of “JULIA,” was recently honored with a citation by Photoplay Magazine in its 47th Annual Gold Medal Awards competition. Miss Carroll who has been nominated for an EMMY as best actress in a comedy series, was named “MOST POPULAR FEMALE STAR OF 1968 - 69” by Photoplay. The Gold Medal Awards, presented in the field of TV and motion pictures, are the oldest in the entertainment in dustry. They are based on a reader poll conducted by the magazine each year.")
The 1969-70 awards (the ones we’re talking about) received this blurb in the San Antonio Express: “Marlo Thomas Winner in Poll: Marlo Thomas, star of the ABC Television Network’s long- running comedy series, “That Girl,” has been voted The Feminine Favorite Star of 1969-70 and will receive Photoplay Magazine’s 49th annual Gold Medal Award. Veteran motion picture actor John Wayne was voted male favorite. The awards are the oldest in the entertainment industry and the only ones based on a poll of the public.”
The numbering seems to be a bit wonky. How can the 1968-69 awards be the 47th annual, while the 1969-70th are the 49th? Weird, huh? Did they change up the numbering so that the 50th anniversary would be rushed, considering the magazine was already waning in popularity?
As we know, the 50th anniversary awards were given a more lavish production on a 1971 live broadcast of the Glen Campbell variety show.
So there’s more proof that the bloody Photoplay awards were an annual event and often presented (or celebrated) on various TV shows at the time, rather than their own special gala the way the Oscars are.
I saw Gore Vidal plenty of times on TV. It’s not him.
How come Johnny is not in the picture?
This is a fair question. Johnny Carson was a major figure in show business at the time. He was not only a major asset of one of only three networks, but also had the power to give visibility to people in the movies, television, and music industries (among others).
What I’m saying is that he’s not really comparable to, say, Jimmy Fallon–who is well-known today, but is seen by only a fraction of the percentage of the viewing audience that Carson had.
Thus, cropping Carson out, or setting up a photo on his show’s set without him in it, would be fairly dangerous things to do. Being rude to (or dismissive of) Johnny simply wasn’t done. He was a powerful figure in show business. Leaving him out of the photograph would not have been done lightly–either by the photographer, or by any editor of any magazine that published the photo.