Yesterday at the fair grounds I see this Teenage Mutant Cluster Fuck walking around with some other loser kids. What caught my attention about this guy, is that he was wearing a t-shirt with a picture of Charles Manson on it.:eek:
So, being the nosey bastard I am, I just had to ask this punk why the fuck he would parade around in a shirt with a pic of Manson on it.
This piece of shit starts telling about how Manson is “the man” because he is the leader of the counter culture, which is making a come back, and blah blah blah!
:mad: I have never before wanted to stomp a total stranger as bad as I did yesterday! Charles Manson is a fucking murderer!
He should have died caughing and wheezing in the gas chamber!
Since when is it cool to idolize a lunatic killer?
And what the fuck about this kids parents? If I cought my kid wearing a shirt like that I’d whack him one.
And who is producing, selling these shirts? Has the world gone so fucking mad that now Charlie Manson is cool? Let me outta here!
Manson did kill one guy, although it’s been so long that I don’t remember who it was. It didn’t have anything to do with the Tate murders.
I don’t think he should still be in prison, but that doesn’t mean that I think he’s cool. He did write some pretty good songs (Guns & Roses covered one and had a big hit with it) and he’s not a bad guitar player.
I know you aren’t saying he’s innocent or anything, but just because he didn’t do the deed with his hands doesn’t mean he didn’t kill anybody. That’s sort of like saying “I didn’t kill anybody, the gun in my hand did!” Just because he used humans as killing tools instead of a gun or knife makes no difference in my book.
Not trying to start an argument, I know you don’t see him as anything but evil, just a purely semantic difference of opinion.
Back in the early to mid '90’s there was a fairly popular T-shirt among the surf/skate/punk crowd that had a picture of manson and the logo" Charlie Don’t Surf.
He orchestrated the grisly murders on nine innocents, one of whom was pregnant. In prison he has done nothing to rehabilitate himself. At his 1987 parole hearing he threatened to spark a revolution if released. He didn’t even show for his most recent parole hearing.
I’m very glad he is locked up, and certainly wold not want him let loose on the worlds again. Thow away the key.
That true. But I still would say it is semantically correct to say Manson killed Tate and the others, even though he used (allegedly) thinking humans as his tools.
Doesn’t surprise me one bit. Hell, there is at least one grown-up on these boards whom I’ve seen talking about corresponding with Manson “because he was interesting”, or something.
Actually, I can think of very few acts that are more literally “counter-culture” than that, if we take “culture” to mean the values and acceptable behavior of a civilization.
I’m not terribly shocked over the t-shirt, although I’m a little surprised at how much it set off a lot of people here. One of the chief components of Rock ‘n’ Roll has always been the shock value. And it’s been a long five decades since Elvis’ spastic pelvis was considered “dangerously immoral.” The younger generations have to go to greater and greater lengths to get the same effect their grandparents got for just owning a Little Richard album. And latching on to Charlie Manson isn’t even particularly new. Those T-shirts have been around for years, probably started at the same time as the trial itself. Where do you think Marilyn Manson got his stage name?
This is just typical adolescent anti-socialism, and a pretty innocent brand of it, too. Kid’s probably in the Honor Society. He’ll grow out of it in a few years, throw out the t-shirt, and live in mortal fear that someone at his brokerage might somehow come across a copy his Highschool yearbook. In short, nothing to get your panties all twisted up over.
Whoever created that shirt was either really dumb or really reaching.
For those who don’t know it, though I’m sure most of you do, “Charlie don’t surf” is a quote from Apocalypse Now, “Charlie” meaning Vietcong: VC=Victor Charlie.
If that was an attempt to be shocking, it was unnecessary; the quote and its context are powerful enough without dragging Manson into it. If it was an attempt to be funny, it’s just flat. If it was manufactured with the incorrect assumption that the quote actually referred to Manson, it’s idiotic. If it was some kind of protest, like saying that Manson doesn’t surf because he’s in prison, fuck it. He should ride a wave all the way to the ninth circle of hell.