If
A
tarantula was to
blow up
the world trade Center
and made us think it was arabs
Would IT
have us caught in its Web of deceit?
no. because tarantulas do not spin Webs.
Charlie Sheen is a coward and a liar, who hides under a comforting blanket of “it’s somebody else’s fault,” just like every other truther and conspiracy theorist. Lots of honest people are asking why without lying.
Basically i respect anyone’s right to believe anything they want.
Since you asked, me personally?, i don’t believe in believe in beliefs.
They are transient, built on quicksand, they change moment by moment.
they evolve, due to ever changing experiences.
like life, eternity, they are fluid, not contained.
Do you need group consensus to feel good about what you currently believe?
that it is ‘acceptable’? you are welcomed into the group of those that ‘believe’ as you do?
I don’t, i reject beliefs utterly.
Whats with all this cross referencing to Crack?
Do you think all on this planet are like it is in the ‘good ole USA’?
I always thought Mr Sheen was more of a boozer than one of your crack freaks.
but that’s just as how i see it…
Zan
They’re teaching this in school these days, guys. It’s the default basic attitude of pretty much everyone I know under 25, and the necessary attitude of every truther. “There are no wrong answers,” “you can’t really prove anything,” “if you believe it, it’s true,” etc, etc. Ignorance has nukes now.
:snaps in applause:
freak, i still don’t fit,
baby boomer, of the original Woodstock era. circa 1969
still don’t fit, did not want to then, ( into Conservative Society ) don’t want to now.
4 sure.
and this has to do with Mr Sheen, or pre-emptive wars, the number of war vets coming home riddled with incredible damage and / or substance abuse.
the foe we created, then killed, by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands, the millions more of them we made homeless?
or
Tainted Republicans judging Liberal morals etc etc, j
just how exactly? does it all relate?
What was the OP again?
I think he thinks we’re a bunch of conservatives.
excellent, good referencing in the 3rd person,
you feel at home then, safe secure, among friends?
good for you.
i dont, nor want to, nor need to.
i want answers.
how do you justify pre-empive wars on foes you imagine, create, then slaughter, make homeless.
Ridicule Mr Sheen.
for daring to ask, WHY?
Wha…who here said anything about justifying Iraq? What does that have to do with the fact that Charlie Sheen is a freaking loon?
Wow. You can’t know a whole lot of 25 year olds, or visit a whole of schools in your daily routine. This kind of grampa-like rambling has no basis in reality whatsoever that I’m aware of, but I’d be delighted if you could provide some.
err, 9/11 was used to justify the slaughter of Iraq, Afghanistan, which is the whole point of
Mr Sheens saying, hold it, just what is going on here?
something smells not quite right.
plz explain?.
(/11 was the excuse to invade Iraq, not the reason.
is that too hard to understand?
here are some thoughts for you to consider, ( not all my work )
consider.
Still find it hard to understand how ppl still believe that WE HAD TO HUNT OBL DOWN, and that somehow its ( 9/11 ) all Afghanistan’s fault.
BTW, just how quickly did the West abandon the hunt for OBL?
I would say, before it even began…
What say you?
Some ppl seem to have zero understanding of History, what actually happened and why, and more importantly, Where…
consider this.
The myth of Afghanistan as 9/11 “staging ground”
It is the centerpiece in the logic of Americas Afghan war and it needs to be squarely addressed.
Every word the current US president uses in a speech is carefully crafted in the most exacting way. He is using this word with a clear purpose.
He labels Afghanistan as a staging ground for war upon the West.
Does not seem to understand that the Taliban are only concerned with maintaining control in their own country, are not interested like we are in invading and subduing the Whole World…
unlike AlQuaeda who do want to challenge us, but left Afghanistan many years ago, now live and thrive in countries we mess up, like Iraq…
What is a staging ground?
It is a place where you practice. It is a place where you put components together, ie stage 1, stage 2, etc. So where was the practice ground and component assembly for 9/11?
The 9/11 commission explained that it was primarily the Philippines, but also mainly in the US. Because the World Trade Center was attacked twice, not just once. Organizationally it was out of Hamburg, Germany.
Ramsey Yousef was the convicted mastermind behind the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing. He assembled the bomb personally in the US, rented the Ryder truck, and initially escaped to Pakistan.
His uncle Mohammed was mastermind of the 9/11 attack on the same buildings in 2001. This strong family link between the two attacks is not well known because it looks extremely bad for Bush and the intelligence agencies when the trail from 1993 to 2001 is made clear. It’s incredible that Bush stood by and let it happen, really.
By the way, this is the letter Ramsey Yousef sent to the New York Times explaining the motives behind the first WTC bombing:
Quote:
“We declare our responsibility for the explosion on the mentioned building. This action was done in response for the American political, economical, and military support to a
(edited) foreign country, the state of terrorism, and to the rest of the dictator countries in the region.”
The same family planned the same attack for the same reasons in both 1993 and 2001. With an awful lot in between too. They got help from Al Qaeda in the second attack, but it is important to see how Al Qaeda jumped on board with Yousef and Mohammed rather than vice-versa.
After the first WTC bombing in 1993, Nephew Yousef and Uncle Mohammed met in the Philippines to stage for what eventually became 9/11. At that time it was called the Bojinka plot, and Yousef was caught before it could be completely carried out. (His explosives caught fire and the investigation of the fire led to his conviction for the 1993 WTC bombing.)
There were many stagings in the Philippines – real practice runs for what became 9/11. The most famous was their bombing of a Philippines Airline headed for Japan. Yousef brought the bomb on board in the Philippines and assembled it, got off on one leg of the trip to Cebu (Island in the Philippines) and the bomb went off over the ocean.
The direct physical Philippine link to 9/11 was found long ago during the Philippine Police cracking of the Bojinka case:
Quote:
A Philippine National Police raid in a Manila apartment also turned up evidence that Abdul Murad, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Yousef had drawn up plans for flying an airplane into CIA headquarters. The information was passed on to the FAA, who warned individual airlines
Uncle Mohammed had already been convicted of the Bojinka conspiracy, was still at large, and was known to have specific intent of crashing a plane into a US building when Bush got his Aug 6 intelligence brief about Al Qaeda’s imminent attack with planes.
Field agents were bitterly complaining to superiors about their complete lack of interest in the 9/11 hijackers’ training to fly airplanes but not land them. This is not a matter of hindsight being 20-20. All Bush had to do was order his people to investigate instead of quashing reports from subordinates. At the time, Hamburg Germany was where the plot was being directed from and there would have been zero problem working with German police.
But Bush did nothing, as he was the laziest president on record up to that time, taking more vacation than any other president – which is why he was on vacation when he got the Aug 6 intelligence brief about the upcoming 9/11 attack. He wasn’t even interested.
Immediately after the attack it was important for the worst president of all time to cover his ass and lie. Oh no, he was never warned. Nobody could have guessed about flying planes into buildings.
Nobody questioned how they could have cracked the case so quickly after it happened. If Bush had said – oh, this is the same family masterminding an attack on the same building for the same reasons, and we knew the month before they were going to do it… well, we would have understood why it was cracked so quickly.
There were a lot of other intelligence signals pointing to the specific plot. For example, project Able Danger had already fingered lead hijacker Atta and others.
The main consideration is, most worthy of concentration is the myth of Afghanistan as a “staging ground” for 9/11. Suffice it to say that Bush bears a tremendous amount of personal responsibility for 9/11. His people brought to him exactly the intelligence that would have stopped 9/11 and he did nothing.
Everyone knows Bin Laden was in Afghanistan. But the plot was primarily organized out of Hamburg, Germany. The practice ground was primarily the Philippines, but also in the US where one run at the WTC had already been made.
The pro war try to excuse our Invasion and slaughter of innocents by trying to link together a defense of this “staging ground” myth by saying Mohammed was in Afghanistan when he was captured, and that Bin Laden was also in Afghanistan. Oh yes, and suspicions that one or two of the hijackers might have been in Afghanistan once.
I do not disagree that you can crib together things that make Afghanistan important, but it is clear the “staging ground” assertion is a myth. If you stop being a warmongering apologist and ask instead logically where they practiced – where they staged and organized – the best answer is in the Philippines, the US, and Hamburg.
The wording the current US president is using is designed for public consumption, not for preventing future 9/11’s. It rings so nicely. Yea – get rid of the staging grounds. Then they can’t practice. They cannot put together the components. That’s what happened in 9/11 so we can stop it from happening again if we get rid of those camps where they planned and trained to do 9/11.
When you have to give up this language about “staging ground” then the reason for being in Afghanistan is a lot weaker.
I think Bush managed to get the entire US nation to buy into a myth so that he could excuse himself for his gross historic negligence: To divert attention from 9/11 being a police and intelligence catastrophe Bush bears the most responsibility for, and pretend it was something else.
We are not going to get rid of “staging grounds” for future 9/11’s by endless war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The primary lessons of 9/11 have still not been learned because the US government is busy promoting myths, lies and excuses.
They attacked us for our freedoms. They staged it out of remote training camps in Afghanistan, which nobody could have foreseen. So therefore take over Afghanistan and inculcate western values.
Well, that is pretty much the description of how to produce more 9/11’s rather than prevent them if you ask me.
justify how so many have to die, keep dying?
for freedom?
Just whose exactly?
Zan
An option and a consequence were presented to the OP.
The choice has been made.
This thread is closed.
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