Oh my. A quick google search has revealed the existence of devices designed to dissipate chemtrails. They have names like “orgone blaster” and “chem-buster.” Apparently I can put a few quartz crystals and some copper or zinc BBs into a 2 foot section of 1.5 inch copper pipe, fill it with resin, call it something like an “Cloud-zapping Orgone Fountain” and sell it for $395 plus shipping. I just might set up a website!
Also, you should be selling Higgs Field Deflectors along with the Chem-Trail Denaturalizers, for maximum effect. The market is sure to be big.
Wouldn’t that make him look like a lizard?
I’m writing here in response to two articles appearing in a Straight Dope search on “chemtrails.” I’ll address some of the comments in each of the articles, first, before I include some additional information, then a summary.
First, what a contrail is: “The main products of hydrocarbon fuel combustion are carbon dioxide and water vapor. At high altitudes this water vapor emerges into a cold environment, and the local increase in water vapor can raise the relative humidity of the air past saturation point. The vapor then condenses into tiny water droplets which freeze if the temperature is low enough. These millions of tiny water droplets and/or ice crystals form the contrails. The time taken for the vapor to cool enough to condense accounts for the contrail forming some way behind the aircraft’s engines. At high altitudes, supercooled water vapor requires a trigger to encourage deposition or condensation. The exhaust particles in the aircraft’s exhaust act as this trigger, causing the trapped vapor to rapidly condense. Exhaust contrails usually occur above 8,000 m (26,000 ft), and only if the temperature there is below −40 °C (−40 °F).” - Source
What they’re not: “chemtrails.”
Are jet contrails the latest threat?
“enexplainable rain” If the air is supersaturated, or even saturated, any additional water vapor in the air can result in condensation, not only in the immediate vicinity of the engine exhaust, but in the case of supersaturation, a single set of contrails can grow to cover a significant portion of the sky.
“Under the wing facing us, was a large canister, pointed on the end towards the rear and rounded on the front…” They’re called “external fuel tanks.” Many aircraft have them, including the two I flew: B-52s and C-130s. On fighters, they’re usually equipped with quick releases, in case the fighters wind up in a dog fight. External fuel tanks equipped with quick releases are called “drop tanks.”
“I am a diehard believer of chemtrail spraying! [Spraying] gave me burning eyes, a sore throat, and a nosebleed…” You may have been an unfortunate victim of crop-dusting, which sprays one of several chemicals on crops. Some of those chemicals can produce the symptoms you describe.
Alternatively, you may have been the unfortunate victim of a fuel dump. The only time an aircraft dumps fuel is there’s an in-flight emergency requiring an immediate landing, and the aircraft is full of fuel. That extra weight significantly increases the hazards of landing, particularly if the aircraft is suffering from a hydraulic failure or controlability problem (such as an engine out in a two-engine, under-wing aircraft).
Most major airports have a designated area for dumping fuel. Those areas may be sparsely populated, but that doesn’t mean they’re void of people. Furthermore, if the winds are heading towards the airfield or the nearby city, the fuel cloud can inundate a populated area. Jet fuel is largely kerosene, to which additional chemicals have been added to increase the flashpoint (the temperature at which the vapors will ignite), as well as lower the temperature at which the fuel gels. A few other chemicals help the fuel to burn both more cleanly as well as completely.
“Aha!” you say. “Chemicals! I knew it!” Nope. By “chemicals” I’m referring to other products of the petroleum distillation process i.e. hydrocarbons. Gasoline is a hydrocarbon. Kerosene is a hydrocarbon. Both motor oil and fuel oil are hydrocarbons.
Jet fuel is predominantly a blend of gasoline and kerosene, sometimes with other hydrocarbons thrown into the mix in order to modify the freezing temperature, flashpoint, or both. A number of fuels are used in modern aviation, but the two most common ones in use today are Jet-A and Jet-A1 (more suitable to colder climes). Jet-B is used in extremely cold climates, but its much lower flashpoint makes it more dangerous to handle when the weather is warm. The Air Force switched to JP-8 in 1995, while the Navy stuck with JP-5 (much higher flashpoint, therefore safer for use aboard aircraft carriers, but there’s a slight performance penalty (less ergs per pound)).
“Some tell tales of mysterious white tanker planes…” USAF tankers are painted the same gray as are all other Air Force aircraft these days. The Navy has their own tankers, but they’re FA-18s (buddy-tanking). They used to use A-3s, but I don’t think those aircraft are in service any more. They might use the S-2s. Don’t really know.
The large white aircraft you see, either in the skies or sitting on a tarmac somewhere, are either normal civilian airlines with predominantly white markings, or one of several special-use aircraft including 737s used for ferrying passengers, or TACAMO (Take Charge and Move Out) birds, a U.S. military system of survivable communications links designed to be used in nuclear war to maintain communications between the decision makers (the National Command Authority) and the triad of strategic nuclear weapon delivery systems. Both are painted all-white, or nearly all-white. Neither one, however, are tankers. The current fleet of TACAMO birds are based on the Boeing 707-320, re-fitted with larger, high-bypass turbine engines, and are based at Tinker AFB, OK.
“In many cases the contrails are accompanied by a cobweblike cloud of “angel hair” filaments descending from the sky.” Sounds to me like the observer was walking near a location where thousands of baby spiders were launching themselves into the air on the winds. Had nothing to do with an airplane flying overhead, though.
“Are these people crazy? Of course they’re crazy.” Yep!
[Is the government spraying stuff into the atmosphere to protect us](Is the government spraying stuff into the atmosphere to protect us?)?
“So I respectfully suggest a more practical method of protection from gamma rays would be the traditional tinfoil hat.” Shielding from gamma rays requires large amounts of mass. Miniscule gold particles floating through the atmosphere would have absolutely zero effect on gamma rays. For that matter, unless your tinfoil hat is about three inches thick, it wouldn’t have any effect on gamma rays, either. In fact, you’d need 1/2" of solid gold to reduce the gamma rays by just 50%. If you increased that to 1", it’d reduce the amount coming through to just 25%. Every time you double it, you get roughly a 50% reduction, so for 12% you’d need 2"; for 6% you’d need 4"; for 3% you’d need 8", and to reduce the gamma rays getting through to just 1.5%, you’d need 16" of solid gold plating!
There’s not that much gold in all the world to cover the Pentagon to such a depth, much less the entire U.S. In fact, if you were to cover even just the heavily populated areas of the U.S. with all the gold in the world, the foil would be so thin you could see right through it. And it would stop perhaps just 0.000000000001% of all gamma rays hitting it. Gold particles in the air? About a million times less effective.
The good news is that our atmosphere is THICK! It’s mass above you at sea level is equivalent to 29.92 inches of mercury! Hence the term as used to describe atmospheric pressure. That’s a lot of mass! It’s equivalent to 33 FEET of water, and it’s more than enough to screen out all but a tiny fraction of all gamma rays the Earth receives from outer space.
“To conserve warmth, they inject gold particles into their atmosphere to create a greenhouse effect.” Gold particles have no effect on the Greenhouse Effect. Water vapor, on the other hand, is the most potent greenhouse gas on the planet, several thousand times more potent than CO2, primarily because it’s so readily available. By “water vapor” I’m referring to the water invisibly suspended in the atmosphere, not that which has precipitated out in the form of clouds, ice crystals, or rain.
Review:
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Water vapor and carbon dioxide are the two products produced when jet fuel is burned.
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When the air is both cold enough or the air is already saturated with enough humidity, the introduction of additional water vapor causes precipitation – clouds – which we refer to as “contrails.” You see the same effect when moisture-laden air from the sea encountered a ridge line, and as it’s rising, the air cools, and the water vapor precipitates out in the form of fog.
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Jet fuel is composed primarily of gasoline and kerosene (both hydrocarbons) with some other hydrocarbons added to it to change its freezing point and flash point, a requirement based on the temperature in which the fuel will be used.
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There isn’t enough gold in all the world to protect an area the size of the Pentagon from gamma rays, much less any larger area. Fortunately, we don’t have to, as the Earth’s atmosphere has an equivalent mass of 29.92 inches of mercury at sea level. That equates to 33 feet of water. More than enough to filter out 99.99999% or more of all gamma rays from outer space.
And bottom line…
- Simple physics and biochemistry. At the rate aircraft fly, approximately 800 feet per second, aircraft simply cannot haul enough liquid anything, to have any measurable impact on the people 7 miles below, even if that something were the most toxic chemical by weight known to man: botulism toxin. By the time it evaporated in the atmosphere and made it’s way down to the surface of the Earth, it would be spread so thin as to have no measurable effect on humans.
But don’t take my word for it!
Next post: The Math (science) behind my statement.
Zombie chemtrails. Even better.
Or is it that the chemtrails are causing zombies?
More research is in order.
In my previous post I approached the subject of chemtrails from two complementary professions: Science and Aviation. I avoided the math, at least with respect to chemtrails, and stuck to both 20 years of experience flying airplanes all over the world, and plain old common sense. I addressed some common confusions, such as how one person mistook external fuel tanks for “spraying canister,” and how another mistook all-white or nearly-white paint jobs on non-tanker aircraft as “chemtrail sprayers.” Yeah, I know - some of the folks would take the leap from “boulder” to a “cloaked United Federation of Planets observation post.”
Ok, back to reality – time for the math:
The estimated human median lethal dose of botulism toxin is 10–13 ng/kg, when inhaled. One ng is one-billionth of a gram. Less than 3 grams of botulism toxin are manufactured each year, world-wide. By comparison, that’s about the same mass as your average post-World War II penny… Just one gram is sufficient to treat ALL 24 medical conditions, for every single patient, worldwide. The other two grams are used in various studies.
The other pieces of information we need to solve this problem are the volume of air the average human would breath before the toxin is totally disbursed, and the volume of air into which the toxin is disbursed.
Let’s take a look at that jet airliner flying 6 miles high, and see if it’s even possible for it to have any effect whatsoever on the people below.
First, botulism toxin breaks down when heated, so adding it to the jet fuel would not work AT ALL, as there would be no toxin left.
Second, the length of the average contrail on the satellite photos chemtrailers use to support their conspiracy theory is about 1,000 miles. If sprayed the solution from the wingtips, you’d never visibly see 3 grams over 1,000 miles (about an hour and forty minutes of flight time), even if it were diluted in a thousand gallons of water or other medium.
Third, the volume of air 3 grams would inundate over the length of a typical contrail (1,000 miles) would include the immediate vicinity of the aircraft, and a gradually widening swath down to the Earth. Call it a mile wide at Earth’s surface (and that’s a lot smaller that it would actually be). That’s a triangular area 6 miles high by 1 mile wide, or 3 square miles. Over the length of the contrail that would be 3,000 cubic miles. That equates to 7.63074183 × 10^17 cubic inches.
Fourth, humans breath about 12 to 30 liters per minute, depending on activity. A liter is 64 cubic inches. So that’s on average, 18 liters, or 1,152 cubic inches per minute, or 70,000 cubic inches per hour, at which point the toxin would have dispersed to negligible levels. Thus, a human would have breathed (3 x 70,000 / 7.63 x 10^17) grams, or 2.752 x 10^-13 grams. That’s 0.3 trillionth of a gram, or 200 femtograms. A femtogram is one millionth of a nanogram.
Fifth, let’s compare 0.2 trillionth of a gram to the lethal dose of, averaging it out to 12 ng/kg, given a smaller adult human of 100 lbs (45 kg):
2.752 x 10^13 / 45 = 6.12 x 10^-15 g/kg. We’re about 1,962,000 TIMES short of a lethal dose.
In other words, we’d have to fly approximately 2 million such flights over the same airspace in 1 hour to obtain a lethal dose, and that’s with the most potent toxin in the entire world.
Yet the chemtrailers persist in maintaining that “mind control” chemicals that are millions of times weaker than botulism toxin are routinely being sprayed on Americans… So now we’re not just 2 million times short of an effective dose. We’re tens of BILLIONS of times short of an effective dose.
As I said in the original, the entire idea of “chemtrails” fails miserably when looked at from the perspective of basic physics and biochemistry.
Yep. They’re crazy, all right.
I was at a friend’s afternoon gathering not too long ago. I like her, I do, she’s smart and nice and fun to be with. Sure, she has a few out-at-the-edge-of-normal ideas that lead her to things like not using flouride toothpaste for her family because poison, and providing a mostly raw diet, but hey, at least she walks the talk and does the hard work her ideas imply instead of the other lady I know with similar ideas who had her second daughter vaccinated because she just couldn’t deal with all the trouble her first daughter’s constant serious illnesses meant for her, the mother. :smack:
Anyway, there I was at the gathering and it was very pleasant, and I just nodded politely through the talk of not buying homes close to power lines and the like, and then my friend talked about chemtrails and how the government puts them up there to improve cell phone reception and tsk tsk. That I had to leave soon afterwards was just because I had some errands to run, and not because I had to get into my car so that I could start snickering.
So basically, if I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying chemtrails aren’t real?
Oh, yeah? How do you explain this actual chemtrail nozzle on a plane? :eek: :dubious:
(Just kidding. It’s a venturi. :p)
The tin foil hat reference was a joke. From Wiki:
Such snarky remarks are part of Cecil’s style.
I have to say I’m impressed by the latest posts. Usually when a new person posts such a long reply – indeed, two long replies – the person is nutter coming in to defend the crazy idea. It’s kind of nice to see someone so offended by the lunacy, he signs up and posts a long reply to debunk it.
One thing though: I’d like to see a citation that says jet fuel is a mixture of kerosene and gasoline. I’ve never heard that jet fuel contained gasoline, and have always considered it basically kerosene. (Of course, I’m a non-turbine pilot; so I haven’t given it that much thought.)
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Anyone who goes to the amount of effort required to post those two replies is obviously part of the conspiracy and trying to hide the truth from us. 
Indeed, I had a “wait - what!?” at my first skim through the expected perfervid nonsense.
Thanks for the posts, mugaliens. Great analysis.
Eight dimensional, actually. You just can’t tell unless your aircraft has a properly calibrated oscillation overthruster.
Every few month around my town (Tucson) someone puts up signs at almost every intersection saying “What in the World are they Spraying?? Google it!!” Which leads to the official “The Chemtrail/Geo-Engineering Cover-up Revealed.” web site.
These signs get taken down in a few days, only to get put up again a couple of months later.
But..but.. wait, I know - the chemtrails are homeopathic doses, so being billions of times too small makes them billions of times as effective. Take that Chemtrail Deniers!
That’s kind of a genius response, actually. I mean, in the closed bubble of chemtrail craziness. 
I like the idea that homeopathic levels of Xanax are being sprayed via chemtrails to damp down the lunacy of chemtrail believers.
It obviously isn’t working, which is a further dagger in the heart of homeopathy. 
In a word, yes.
I’m aware of the tin foil hat snark. Doesn’t hurt to respond with a straight face once in a while!
Thank you! I’ve been meaning to run the numbers for a while, now. Finding this site was a good excuse to do it.
Finding this site was also a nice highlight to a good week for me! It’s nice finding a site where people are willing to dig for the facts instead of pass along rhetoric as if it were fact.
Here’s a reference from a supplier of a wide variety of petroleum products, indicating the addition of gasoline in Jet Fuel.
Here’s a reference from Alglas, a manufacturer of some of the cleaning additives used in aviation fuels.
Thank you! My pleasure.
Thanks for the references. My interest is piqued. Rather than hijack this thread, I’ve posted a new thread in GQ called What’s in jet fuel?.