Chen019: A bigger fool that follows other fools

Sierra Club – Political Activism and Controversies – Population Control and Immigration:

The nearest thing to an “about face” in that story is the 1996 decision simply to be neutral on immigration; before that, there does not seem to have been any official club line at all, so that was just a decision not to adopt one. Rather meh even by paranoid standards.

And anyone who followed the other thread by now knows all about John Tanton, the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and Progressives for Immigration Reform.

And I already mentioned what the future will wring regarding point 2 also, but thanks for still trying to avoid the main points in **this **thread.

Thanks for not addressing what I said. You know, just because you can be a dick in the pit doesn’t mean you must be. :rolleyes:

Translation: “we are still butthurt!”

An advocate for the environment takes into account many issues, if you still want to claim your denialists in nativists clothes are doing so, by all means produce the cites of them pressuring federal or state governments for not doing anything about carbon emission controls.

Am I supposed to think you did not read what it was replied to Shodan? So you need training wheels to follow a discussion? :slight_smile:

Yeah, you’re supposed to think that. Even though the comment of yours I responded to was in that very post. Again, :rolleyes:.

So I do not get it, you know why we will get more then, so why the reality that in the end the organizations that are butthurt are supporting climate change deniers does not bother you at all?

So yeah, once again, you really need training wheels. You are not getting how climate change deniers are playing you like a fiddle.

And this is not the thread for “this discussion” as much as would like, this is a pit of Cheno19 and it is also here to bring attention to the **actual **activities of the ones that were butthurt in their attempt at controlling an environmentalist organization, so stick to the issue.

Why? You never stuck to the issue in Chen’s thread. Why should someone do you the courtesy you do not extend to others?

Regardless, the points I made in that post are germane to the discussion you was having with Shodan. They are also relevant to this thread and that, because they point to a foundational problem (I think) as to where the confusion lies and why you have insisted in both threads to argue a point made by no one. Here they are again:

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The disingenuous part comes by denying that population on the whole also includes the immigrants.
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This is not true. Not in the way “immigrants” is being used by Chen, Shodan, me, or any of the cites. And it may be part of the confusion. There are two different groups:

Group 1: “the population as a whole”, which does include those who have already emigrated to the U.S..

Group 2: there is the number of people who will—future tense—emigrate here. This latter group is what people are referring to in this discussion when referring to “immigrants” are those people who would be added through immigration.
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Like if others did not see through you guys, now don’t insult our intelligence.

And again:

Think about the FUTURE!

But we already know you don’t, the goal of the nativists is to divide environmentalists, the goal of the climate change deniers is to make use of the very useful nativist idiots.

**Gigo,
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See post 116. I can’t for the life of me understand why you would not find what I pointed out helpful and comment on them in order to clarify your position.

I’m still confused as to why one dude crossing the Mexico/American border suddenly has a greater impact on the global environment.

I also don’t get how if the same dude crosses the same border he suddenly needs more water. The Colorado river feeds into Mexico. Well, it will until we tell them to fuck off and dam it completely to wring every kilowatt of power, thus improving the environment (by which I mean my environment).

This is not that discussion, but what I can understand is that you enjoy being manipulated by even more powerful interests into ignoring that your pet subject will be gored by ignoring who is really benefiting from all those misleading efforts.

They have a greater effect on the US environment. The Clinton Sustainability Taskforce suggested population stabilization was an important objective. The point about population growth is also made here by Lester Brown. Session Verification

US population growth is significantly driven by immigration. Therefore immigration is a logical means to address population growth in the US.

Others here, may consider that a one child policy as used in China is more desirable.

WHAT?! I commented on something YOU wrote, pointing out an error.

Hand wave all you want, but I cannot fathom why you’re so afraid to answer…why you wouldn’t want to take the opportunity to explain why what I commented on is not wrong and have all the lessers around you benefit from your superior grasp of the issues.

All I can come up with is that you know you’re wrong in that instance and want to shine the light away. Funny, I never took you for a coward. ::shrug::

Could you please use less homophobic terms?

:rolleyes: Chen, please go off right now and do something that really, painfully, permanently hurts your butt.

It’s incredible that this basic point even needs to be explained. I don’t know if it is due to pure refusal to consider the distinction, or hardware issues.

You know, I was hopeful when I first made that post. I thought that there might have been some genuine, innocent confusion. And that my post might have resulted in an “Oh now I see why we’ve been talking past each other.”. But no such luck. He’s clearly been intentionally misleading (no surprise) and trying to dictate what you, I, and the cites are saying. Even when we correct him. I sensed that this was at the heart of his seeming density. But I forgot to multiply his density with dishonesty. I’m slipping.

Piffle, we already know how you are at identifying good information from the bad, And your attempts at distraction will not work, the OP here is about looking at the foolishness of the ones attempting to pass themselves as environmentalists.

http://www.alternet.org/story/147655/