I must say that’s rather un-PC of you old chap! I mean, how would you like it if you were a moron and…oh, wait.
Heh, heh…nevermind.
As the cites show, even the evidence was being tainted by the administration; the excuse that going to war was then just an error is a position that only idiots in the ancient Greek sense would be proud to keep.
Right! Jon Stewart pointed out the stupidity and hypocrisy of those particular Cheney words.
In the act of uttering them them Mr Ex VP dumbass, you are committing the exact act you claim helps the enemy. Nice work. I have no problem with the press covering DC but I wish they’d have the smarts and nads to point out the lies and contradictions while they do it.
Cheney is absolutely logical. He is defending the rich and powerful international power brokers. His love of America is limited by how much it aids the wealthy . His interest in the average American is clear. They should have extremely limited rights and absolutely no say in the regulation of business. They should have voting rights curbed because they are ill informed or intelligent enough to deserve an input in our government.
Of course Cheney’s comrades are the people who gave a serious blow to the finances of the entire world. But ,they are still the smartest and most qualified to run things. Bow to your masters and get out of the way. Prisoners deserve the treatment, and should have the rights, that he and his people decide. Don’t question them .You are stepping over your caste.
SRSLY? I’ve been in countries where they march around with guns and tanks in the street on their memorial days. The US ain’t got nothing on that.
For instance, a couple of years ago, I quite unintentionally ended up in Sofia, Bulgaria on the Day of the Bulgarian Army. (Well, I knew that I would be in Sofia, I forgot that it was a holiday.) I got out of town before the parades started, but this is what I saw walking around town in the very early morning (you may need a Facebook account to see these, I don’t know):
Large…army vehicle thingies in front of the national parliament.
Tank thingies
We are ready to defend Sofia from the oncoming Turkish hordes!
I have never seen anything like that in the US.
The next day, my school had a whole ceremony to commemorate the fallen, with wreath-laying and poetry reading and one of my colleagues, a history teacher, declaring dramatically that Bulgaria “is the only country in the world with a holiday that remembers its fallen soldiers” (don’t ask me, I don’t know) and interpretive folk dances about how the Turks are evil slavemasters and sang folk songs about how the Thracian plain would run red would the blood of Bulgarian youths before we were done and blah blah we hate Turks.
I always find it funny whenever I see people from Western Europe declaiming about how Americans are too patriotic and NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD does stuff like that, blah blah. Western Europe is not the rest of the world, y’all. For instance, if you think Americans fly too many flags, go to Turkey and see what REAL flag-flying is about. (I would say the crazy flag flying patriotism in Turkey is one reason Bulgarians are so paranoid they’ll invade, except most Bulgarians hate Turks too much to visit, so they aren’t really aware of the excessive flaggery.)
ETA: Actually, this wasn’t a couple of years ago. It was last year. Almost a year ago to the day, in fact! (The Day of the Bulgarian Army is June 6, St. George’s Day.)
Where do you live that you see TV commercials paid for Lockheed and KBR?
I live in Madison, and I see Lockheed commercials pretty often on cable. KBR, not that I recall.
I am now in Arlington, VA, not far from the Pentagon. Which may partly explain the atmosphere around here. Around here there is nothing else but nationalistic concerts and acts.
Yes, other countries have a national day where there might be a military parade but I have never seen anything like this anywhere. First of all, here you have Memorial Day, Independence day and Veterans day, all pretty much dedicated to exalting militarism and nationalism. And they are not days but weekends. Every TV station and newspaper exalts the nation and the military. No other views. No questions about why those people died.
Where is the remembrance for the “contractors”? They are an essential part of this war and yet they are hidden from view because it suits those in power. In fact, these days are not so much about honoring the dead as about giving glamour to what they do and justifying it in the eyes of the nation. The Bush Administration hid the returns of dead bodies of soldiers. The dead should remain a romantic but nebulous notion. An icon for glory, not a concrete example of the ugly truth.
There is absolutely no question anywhere about the righteousness of this war. None. It is a given. No one is saying these people would not be dead if America had not engaged in a criminal war of aggression. They did not die defending their country. They died in an aggressive, imperialist war. That is the ugly, unmentionable, truth.
As I say, the UK manages to have their Remembrance day and whatever military parades they have without all this nationalistic aggressiveness.
That seems odd to me. What does Lockheed advertise? Anti-ballastic missles? Radar? Lasers?
No, it isn’t. That’s your opinion. Other people can just as rationally and just as justifiably contend that the war was just and needed in order to protect America and its allies from the machinations of a cruel and ruthless dictator who had already used WMD on his own population.
Besides which, the soldiers and other military personnel who were killed had no say so - and should have no say so - in whether the war was just or not. They volunteered to enter the military so as to serve and defend the United States and they gave their lives in that service.
They deserve respect and admiration and gratitude, no matter what liberal America happens to think about the righteousness of the conflict they were engaged in.
Why Should You Go For Fatcow Hosting? Do these guys get their say. So often the righties speak for the soldiers. They put them in an ugly place and it is hard to accept that this war is BS when you are still there. But a lot of veterans do. There are a lot of suicides and desertions. There are soldiers drinking and drugging. The Bushies have done a horrible thing to a lot of patriotic Americans.
In no fucking way did any service person who was killed in Iraq give his or her life in the defense of the United States of America. In no fucking way at all, no where, no how, and at no time. At no fucking time what so ever was Iraq ever in any fucking way a threat to the safety and security of the United States of America. For you the mouth such platitudes absolutely sickens me.
I think you’re having an unusual experience that is not representative. I’ve certainly never seen anything like what you’re describing. I just drove around, running some errands, and no one is doing fuck all. I don’t think I even saw any more flags than usual. Some of my friends had a barbeque last night…does that count as crazy nationalistic?
I consider it more as a day to remind us all of what this nationalistic jingoism really costs us. It’s not a day to wave flags and sing patriotic songs, it’s a day to remember all those people who can’t be there (because they’re dead).
This isn’t true, or Cheney wouldn’t have had to torture people in order to get them to claim there was an Iraq/al Qaeda connection.
Nope, other people can claim whatever the hell they want, but they can’t do it “just as rationally.”
If there had been ANY weapons of mass destruction, at least ONE would have turned up by now. Other countries, even our own Army and CIA issued reports that stated there was no evidence of such capability in Iraq (the Deulfer report is one). Even if Saddam had “owned” any such weapons, he had no delivery system to get them to us. A SCUD just doesn’t get it.
So no, Saddam was no threat to us. He was an evil bastard, I don’t miss him, but he was no threat to us.
Says the parrot.
No doubt you believe in Gog as well.
Your opinion of American foreign policy is wholly irrelavant.
As is yours on any topic you post about. Such as the one above.
So why didn’t he? If Saddam was simply mad insane with hatred for the US, such mad insane that he would sacrifice himself and his whole country just to strike a blow at us…which he’d have to be, wouldn’t he, since he had to know that ten minutes later we would turn Baghdad into a green glass plane in the Godforsaken Desert…if all of this is true, how come he didn’t use these weapons? Too humane? No, that can’t be it. Not enough warning? Well, its not like we made a sneak attack, or anything. Built up to this for months.
I mean, if you’re going to say that we had to protect ourselves against his nuclear anthrax unicorns of Death, and you insist he possessed such…why didn’t he use them?