Cheney says he alone can decide which of his records go to National Archives

Or, at any rate, his lawyers say that on his behalf. Story here.

Rather a novel (using the word “novel” to mean “brazen”) interpretation of the Presidential Records Act.

I was afraid that as this Admin drew to a close, Cheney would lighten up and stop acting like such a dick. But he’s not going to let us down! :slight_smile:

No surprise here.

The record of Cheney’s I care about is his future criminal one.

My guess is he’s thinking of the exact same thing.

Spurious executive orders notwithstanding, those records belong to the American public.

Cheney can go fuck himself.

You could have just used the word “brazen.” :frowning:

Bet he’s not going to need much firewood to get through the rest of winter.

Nah, he just burns peasants.

The problem is that nobody in charge seems to give a shit about the American people, public assets, or the law.

He flatly doesn’t even pretend to give a fuck about fairness or the law does he? I’m still reeling over those who supported him when he said the VP was a member of the legislative branch.

No, no, the VP is a member of the legislative or executive branch depending on the situation – it’s a matter of quantum uncertainty, like Schrodinger’s Cat.

According to federal regulations, as I understand them, it all becomes part of Official Record. So, then he does not get to pick and choose.

It’s quite simple really:

Memos where Cheney says “Yes I’d love to attend the opening of the Puppy Rescue Society Dinner” are OK to be released.

Memos where Cheney says “I know they never had any weapons of mass destruction, but torture them anyway so we look like we’re doing something” are not OK to be released.

Why not? Really. Why not?

I believe that the Presidential Records Act is a wise piece of legislation. It allows the people to examine the thinking (or lack thereof) behind the decisions made by leaders who, purportedly, are acting with powers temporarily loaned to them through the free consent of the governed.

What are the benefits of keeping such records secret?

Millions of records? Conservatives are going to tear him apart. I mean look how upset they were when Sandy Berger stole just five copies of one record.

Yes, of course…

Watches tumbleweed roll across an empty, dusty road

This is exactly what I’m getting at.
It is now part of our history for better or for worse. But, just to be a bit of a smart ass, and toss back the same argument that has been used to support various Patriot Act decisions, “What do they have to hide, if they are completely innocent of ummmmm everything”?
Besides, it will pertain to official government business, and is the property of the government and is to be considered official documentation - right down to a margin scribble that says “so and so is a big fat noob”.

What is our form of government based on if not the supposition that government at its essence is the property of the people?

But to play along a bit:

By my lights the Patriot Act was created to empower the government and law enforcement to mine enough data to be able to suss out terrorist plots before they have a chance to hatch.

Now, if you want to argue that presidential records are going to be useful in rooting out acts of wanton criminality… well… you’ll get no argument from me. However, I generally don’t expect to admissions of criminal behavior in such records.

Your position would seem to suggest that the government has the ability to claim presumption of innocence the same as any citizen, when IMO the purpose of presumption of innocence is to protect the citizen against the government.

Bush seems to think there are some . . . but does not actually say what they are.

Thing is, under the PRA Cheney’s records only have to be made available to the public after 12 years. What’s he so worried about?