Chess: glee v Mosier

  1. e4 e5
  2. Nf3 Nc6
  3. Bc4 Nf6
  4. Ng5 d5
  5. exd5 Na5
  6. Bb5+ c6
  7. dxc6 bxc6
  8. Be2 h6
  9. Nf3 Bd6
  10. d4 e4
  11. Ne5 O-O
  12. O-O c6-c5
  13. c3 Re8
  14. f4 e4xf3
  15. Bxf3 Bb7
  16. Bxb7 Nxb7
  17. Nxf7 Kxf7
  18. Qb3+ Kf8
  19. Qxb7 Kg8
  20. Qf3 Re4
  21. Nd2 Bxh2+
  22. Kxh2
  1. You’re two pawns down, so trying for mate is jolly reasonable!

  2. Players should always check before moving that their opponent’s ‘forcing moves’ in reply (i.e. captures / checks) don’t lead to forced wins.

Nah, it’s fine. People play postal chess games where each move can take a day or two…

  1. e4 e5
  2. Nf3 Nc6
  3. Bc4 Nf6
  4. Ng5 d5
  5. exd5 Na5
  6. Bb5+ c6
  7. dxc6 bxc6
  8. Be2 h6
  9. Nf3 Bd6
  10. d4 e4
  11. Ne5 O-O
  12. O-O c6-c5
  13. c3 Re8
  14. f4 e4xf3
  15. Bxf3 Bb7
  16. Bxb7 Nxb7
  17. Nxf7 Kxf7
  18. Qb3+ Kf8
  19. Qxb7 Kg8
  20. Qf3 Re4
  21. Nd2 Bxh2+
  22. Kxh2 Ng4+
    It’s driving me crazy that I can’t see your escape route! Every line I try to analyze ends with checkmate or captured white queen.

I guess I’ll have to find out the hard way.

Game

  1. e4 e5
  2. Nf3 Nc6
  3. Bc4 Nf6
  4. Ng5 d5
  5. exd5 Na5
  6. Bb5+ c6
  7. dxc6 bxc6
  8. Be2 h6
  9. Nf3 Bd6
  10. d4 e4
  11. Ne5 O-O
  12. O-O c6-c5
  13. c3 Re8
  14. f4 e4xf3
  15. Bxf3 Bb7
  16. Bxb7 Nxb7
  17. Nxf7 Kxf7
  18. Qb3+ Kf8
  19. Qxb7 Kg8
  20. Qf3 Re4
  21. Nd2 Bxh2+
  22. Kxh2 Ng4+
  23. Kg1

OK, my analysis is:

a)
23. … Qh4
24. Qh3

b)
23. … Qd6
24. g3 Re3
25. Qxa8+ Kh7
26. Ne4 Rxg3+
27. Nxg3 Qxg3+
28. Qg2

c)
23. … Qb8 (crafty, defending a8)
24. Qf7+ Kh7
25. Nf3

As I’m material up, if I’ve missed anything in the above, I will look for counter-sacrifices.
For example after

  1. … Qb8

I could try

  1. Qf8+ Qxf8
  2. Rxf8+ Rxf8
  3. Nxe4 Re8
  4. Ng3 Re1+
  5. Nf1

(similar variation after 23. … Qc7 24. Qf7+ …)

The Qh3 move is what I wasn’t seeing, despite how obvious it must seem.

Darn. I really thought I had a good chance here.

I’m re-evaluating the board. I’ll have a new move for you soon!

Would now be an appropriate time to surrender? There doesn’t seem to be another way for me to avoid going yet another piece behind, at which point the rest of the game would just be for ceremony.

Yes, it would be normal to resign once you see Qh3.*

My king is soon going to be well-defended by pieces and I could beat Kasparov with a full piece ahead. :eek:

I think you played well and I trust you enjoyed the game.
Chess is fantastically deep and I hope my comments helped.

*After many decades of tournament chess, I’ve literally seen people suddenly realise they were lost - it’s a combination of body language and facial expression.

If anyone else would like a training game, please let me know. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the game, Glee! I’ll be watching with interest if anyone takes you up on your training game offer.

I’d like to take you up on your offer!

Excellent Game!

Thank you, and Thank you Mr. Lee.

Yes, nice game! I played my computer after:
22. Kxh2

the computer played 22. … Rh4+

And after that I have to say the situation didn’t seem quite so clear. I played from there a couple times and won eventually, but it seemed like there were still some subtle tactics to be avoided by white.

ETA: I’m not a great chess player, and neither is the computer on my iPhone, so I don’t necessarily know what I’m talking about :slight_smile:

Just curious… I searched for a thread, but didn’t see one. Did you start a game?

Sorry about the delay folks - I will be starting two new games shortly.
Watch this space!

Now that this game is over (and since the comments thread was kind of derailed), is it okay to discuss some of the moves in it?

I’m curious about the moves after 15. Bxf3. I wonder if moving R(a8) to b8 would have been better than what happened. I suppose it might have been better to not take the f3 pawn e.p. in the first place, but as a response, how does it compare with what went down?

It might be interesting to have a glee v. the SDMB game–people who want to play against glee are designated at the beginning, and that side’s moves are determined by majority vote. Could be slow but fun.

I once tried to play a blindfold game online, but it turned out badly when I tried to open 1. W$

It’s true that 15. … Bb7 loses a pawn, so most alternatives are better - but it was hard to see that at the time.

After 15. Bxf3 Rb8, Black is not threatening 16. … Bxe5 17. dxe5 Qxd1 18. Rxd1 Rxe5 as 19. Bf4 wins.
So White is not under pressure to defend the knight on e5. Also the rook on b8 is vulnerable to a later Nc6.

I think 22. … Ng4+ was better, bringing the Queen and Knight into the attack.

After 22. … Rh4+ 23. Kg1 Qb8 (what else?) 24. g3 White is a safe piece ahead.

Yes, the new games are at:

It’s an interesting idea, but I suspect that the responses would indeed be slow (and probably come down to one or two players doing all the work…)