Oh by the way, dumbass, I never mentioned Roseville. Ever. Maybe you should pay more attention to your reading.
Well, I suppose I can extend it to anyone who thinks that I ever brought up Roseville.
Get this, catsix didn’t make a ‘Roseville comment’ on Page 1. The Roseville comment was made by kidchameleon.
While I don’t particularly like the idea of ambulances being on stand-by for a sporting event when those ambulances might be needed for medical emergencies not related to running over 20 miles on a hot humid day, I never referred to Roseville. I never even heard of Roseville. The news article I read said nothing about Roseville. So, quite frankly, fuck you both. I stand by my opinion that having dozens of ambulances sitting around for the people who chose to run 26 miles in the heat and the humidity is a waste of resources and that deliberately putting yourself into that kind of situation - particularly after the race is called off because it is unsafe - and expecting that there will be people to come and rescue you and your friends when you collapse on the pavement makes you an asshole.
Anybody else want to pile on me for the ‘Roseville comment’ that I never made?
which are privately funded ambulance crews picking up some overtime, not stolen from critical need areas, allocated by people smarter than you from areas that you aren’t even familiar with, which makes your uninformed opinion about as worthwhile as a sparrow’s fart in a windstorm. You can stop digging that hole anytime.
And did you read my post? The ambulances that stand by at sporting events would otherwise be parked and not in use at all at the big, happy, ambulance parking lot. They would NOT be responding to emergencies anyway.
Sporting events use pay-duty ambulances. Bascially, off-duty EMTs volunteer for extra shifts at a much-higher-than-normal rate of pay staffing ambulances that are essentially rented from the city. Waste of resources? Geez, do you have any idea how much money movies, TV shows, and sporting events pay the city for the use of those resources?
Come back when you know what you’re talking about.
Yeah ‘EMS rotation’ really sounds to me like ‘privately funded ambulance crews picking up overtime.’
As for ‘hole digging’, well, I’m being blasted for a comment that I didn’t make. I never said anything about Roseville, where it is, or how many fucking ambulances they have.
Get it?
Someone thinks I’m a moron who doesn’t look at maps when that person can’t read a poster’s name and realize that kidchameleon and catsix are not the same person! Can’t read a map? How about flat out can’t read.
I know that being a dumbass and then wanting someone to come rescue you when your dumbassitude becomes life threatening also makes you an asshole.
As for how much money they pay, I’d prefer that marathons didn’t exist at all. They tie up the streets and make it unbearable to try to get around. And the damn bike race is just as bad.
Okay, so I go swimming get a cramp start to drown. No lifeguard for me? How could I be so stupid as to go swimming? Oh, noes! That can kill you! Didn’t I think of the risk???
How dare I expect a lifeguard to assist me when my gym membership pays for him to be there.
My fiancee bikes to work. OMG!!! :eek: What a dangerous commute! Biking in heavy traffic! You’re right, she’s a dumbass who take her life in her hands every day, and how dare she expect someone to help her, even though her taxes pay for the service.
And boo-fucking-hoo! Those stupid marathons and “walks to cure cancer”, and charity bike races, interfere with catsix’s tooling around the city for a single day! The horror!
Secondly, if you want to swim the English Channel, don’t whine and cry and expect someone to rescue you when you get tired and cramp up.
Third, you really don’t want to start a hijack about bicycle riding morons in this thread, because it’ll go forty pages.
And last, there are plenty of places to hold these charity events that don’t involve fucking up traffic in an entire city for an entire day, or more, as roads are blocked off prior to the event. If people can bitch about roads being blocked off for a football game, then I can certainly disagree with them being blocked off for a marathon.
I work all week. I have a limited amount of time to do things like get to the laundry, or go grocery shopping, or whatever else it is I need to do on the weekend. You may find your stupid marathon more important, but quite frankly all you are is a pain in the ass.
It would be more analogous to say that if you go swimming in a place or situation which you know to be unsaf then you shouldn’t expect to get bailed out. Better yet, it’s like deciding you can swim the English Channel and then expecting to get rescued when you crap out 100 yards from shore. People who go out and run themselves to exhaustion in sweltering conditions are just idiots. They brought their condition entirely upon themselves. Why should I feel sorry for them? It’s like expecting sympathy for a hangover.
ETA, I posted this without previewing. I didn’t see that catsix had already used the English Channel analogy. Strange coincidence.
And if I pay for rescue bot to be there, and private donors pay for a rescue boat to be there, then yes, I kind of expect a little help from the rescue boat if I cramp up.
Fine, maybe they paid for the EMS to be there. That still doesn’t make it any more intelligent to go running in a heat wave. They don’t deserve any sympathy or respect for it.
I’m not sure you know the definition of the word “catty.”
Were any additional city ambulances needed, over and above the ones “paid for” by the organizers, because of the unplanned for large numbers of injured people?
No, but I’ll pile on you for tacitly claiming the quote as your own, as you did in post #60. If you want to get all hyped up about this, that’s your prerogative, but I think it makes you look silly.
One last time, catsix–what’s your stance on people who dared–DARED!!!–mix you up with someone who brought up “Roseville” when in fact-- IN FACT!–you simply mentioned granfathers dying of heart attacks in anonymous “suburbs?”
I just want to be absolutely clear how you feel on that, because your recaps of your post and kidchameleon’s post, along with indications of just how furious you are at me and any other person who EVER DARED TO MISTAKE YOUR COMMENTS left the tiniest room for interpretation. You are HOW upset about this? You want me to lick your wee tart little asshole how hard? I should fuck off in how many directions?
It’s clear that a simply “oops” is not going to be enough to make up for my teasing post, so I’m begging for your indulgence with just a little more explicit expression from you.
The people suffering dehydration weren’t in trouble merely because of the heat. If they were running a race in early October, they had been training since July through the hottest part of the summer. They were in trouble because the race organizers didn’t supply sufficient water. Had they known, everyone would have showed up wearing their camelbaks. I’m not going to blame athletes who made the reasonable assumption that there would be sufficient water available to them along the route. There should have been.
You will reach a point of diminishing returns followed by harm and a deterioration in efficiency if the level of training is increased even more. The condition tacked on by me (…until you reach a point of diminishing returns) is what renders your statement correct. Without it you are flat out wrong.
Privately funded – and funded by the runners’ entry fees and sponsors – event. Ambulance services were not DIVERTED to this event, folks. Get THAT fact straight.
So. I guess all that remains is whether or not it’s “Smart” to run in these kinds of conditions. Considering most people who ran this weekend did so without problems, then yeah. It’s the idiots who didn’t pay attention to their own bodies, who pushed too hard, and who were inadequately prepared (or pushed by their egos) who were idiots.
The rest? Athletes who trained hard, in all sorts of conditions, and who met their goal. What’s so wrong about that? I mean, man wasn’t meant or built to play most sports – yes, marathon running causes lots of wear and tear. There are also benefits. Marathon runners (amateurs) don’t train by running 26.2s every weekend. In fact, they tend to have a pretty tame, gradual training program through the year that prepares them for the long runs. Their cardio-vascular health is greatly improved. Many lose extra weight. They feel better about themselves, feel healthier, eat healthier. Their cholesterol levels drop.
Okay - so - as with anything: when it hurts? Stop. When the conditions get dangerous? Stop. If dopamine has hit your brain and you’re unable to tell that you’re pushing too hard, then listen to the race marshals and stop when they tell you to.
As for catsix – seriously, all it would have taken was you pointing out it wasn’t you who made the original comment. But you SURE seemed happy to take it on as your own and be offended (and ask me to lick your asshole). You can’t have it both ways, ma’am.
Yeah, but you could apply that reasoning to pretty much anything when you think about it. I’d wager that a sizeable percentage of deaths and illnesses, maybe even the majority, are self inflicted. When some fat fuck collapses with a heart attack at 34 because he didn’t know how to take care of himself, that’s self inflicted. That’s deliberate and prolonged neglect of the most basic principles of health and fitness. Would such a man be an asshole by your lights? How about a 60 year old smoker with emphysema? How about a guy who who got food poisoning because he didn’t wash up after taking a leak? Where do you draw the line? Damn near everything involves some kind of risk. At what point does one’s expectation for help after falling victim to that risk make one an asshole? And what about the risks marathon training can avert, like the risk of an early heart attack? As much as you think unfortunate marathon runners should be derided for following their passion, they should be applauded for taking action to prevent other, far more dangerous risks.
As other posters with far more knowledge and experience of the rigours of marathon running have already stated, the overwhelming majority of marathons are completed safely.