Chicago's "Undertown"? (ANSWERED BY CECIL)

In the “Dresden Files” series of books by Jim Butcher, he posits an entire community - and even, pretty much, an entire city underneath present-day Chicago. He calls it “Undertown”, and it’s apparently comprised of mostly subway tunnels, old abandoned freight tunnels and the like.
Those I don’t doubt the existence of…but then he also gets into the area I’d like to know more about.
He mentions that Chicago, being built on what was essentially very marshy ground, kept sinking. Old roads would be built, sink, and another would be built on top of it - often with a “latticework” over the old one, making rather a tunnel out of the old road.
Buildings were supposedly built with this “sinking” phenomenon in mind as well, and had a very fancy entrance to the building incorporated onto the second floor of the building, called a “Chicago Entrance”. Ostensibly this was for when the building sank into the ground, and then the “second floor” would become the ground floor, and the old ground floor would now be the basement.

I’m assuming this is a Chicago that’s in a slightly different world than ours, and this “Chicago slowly sinks into the muck” is much like “glass flows”, and it’s not really happening.
However, I figured if anyone would know for sure, it’d be the people on this board. So…Please, give me the Straight Dope on Chicago’s “Undertown”?

Jim Butcher doesn’t live in Chicago, and his Chicago bears only superficial resemblance to ours. In prior books, he’s managed to go from the Field Museum to Evanston in ten minutes (OK, he was riding a T-Rex and I don’t know how fast they go, but even so.) He also put Wrigley Field in Hyde Park in another book.

I’ve never heard of any sort of “undertown” and it’s not mentioned in any Chicago maps or guidebooks. My guess is that it’s based on the few places where there are double levels (for instance, Wacker Drive) and he’s expanded this to a whole underground city. There’s probably an element of Atlanta’s underground mixed in to this.

He describes Chicago as an “old” city by US standards, and thus explains the existence of the hidden undertown level. In fact, Chicago isn’t that old (by US standards) and the downtown area was certainly totally redone after the Great Fire.

Thanks; that’s rather what I thought. I figure the Chicago of the Dresdeverse does have all these underground tunnels and so on, and is QUITE old, as opposed to ours.

I figured that you guys’d steer me straight!

It’s not entirely out of whole cloth - there are tunnels and rooms “underground” in some parts of the city, notably the Loop. Chicago really was built on a swamp, and flooding was (and in some spots still is) a real concern. At some point they did raise the street level significantly. In the Loop, Lower Wacker Drive and the below-street-level train tracks are actually closer to the original ground level than the upper level streets. In some cases buildings were hydraulically jacked up to the new street level, in others they build a new entrance on what was the second floor. I remember seeing an exhibit on this at the Chicago Historical Society many years ago. Many sidewalks in the Loop were likewise raised, leaving hollow void beneath that quite a few businesses then started using as storage spaces. In other cases, such as the famous Billy Goat Tavern, the businesses were located on the lower level still. There really is a network of old freight tunnels under the Loop, and in some cases new infrastruture like fiberoptic cables have been strung through there. There are abandoned/unused subway tunnels under the Loop, too. In 1992 one was accidentally punctured by a work crew leading to a significant flood that was entirely underground.

But, so far as I know, we don’t have any supernatural creatures living down there, just delivery guys, lost tourists, and homeless people.

There’s some truth to this part. The street grade was raised significantly throughout much of the older part of the city, not just the Loop. There are sections of Bucktown, for example, where the sidewalk is 3 to 5 feet above the level of adjacent yards. The principal entrances to the houses in this area are well above grade - 8 to 10 feet, I’d guess. The story is that this was done purposely because the builders knew the street grade was due to be elevated. To emphasize, however: (a) the streets were raised to improve drainage - it wasn’t that the city sank; (b) many if not most newly-constructed house entrances in Chicago to this day are above grade (although admittedly not 8-10 feet above) because the builder wanted to tuck a basement beneath.

Hmmm, I wonder if Butcher saw some of the “raised” streets and elevated entrances, asked about them and someone sold him a bill of goods. :smiley:

Or, hey, could be that he just embellished on the “undergrounds” and tunnels that Broomstick mentioned, as well as these above-grade entrances in order to make a good story. Because, I gotta admit, Dresden’s Chicago Undertown is one hella cool place. Scary, but nifty.

Nope…I believe Butcher over anyone who actually lives there. I met the man and he seems nice, and besides…the description in the book is so much more interesting…

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YOU MET JIM BUTCHER??? And you’re replying in my thread?
I feel so honored! :cool: Can I have your autograph?

(Is it true he has an Eldritch Glow about him? Please tell me it is…)

Just to clarify, the Chicago Flood was caused by a work crew puncturing an old coal delivery tunnel, not an abandoned subway tunnel.

It is in fact…
Actually, he’s a very down to earth sort. He autographed a book for my wife and everything.

Also, all buildings sink after they’re built. If construction and design are done correctly this can be limited to much less than an inch. Chicago was kind of an experiment for modern foundation design. Some buildings have sunk quite a bit, but I really doubt that anybody planned to have the second floor become the 1st.

I’m going to see if I can get the Boss to do a column about this. Does anybody reading this live in a Chicago house with a sunken yard, or know someone who does? You know, the kind where you have to walk up some steps to get from grade to the front sidewalk? I’ve heard some of these places have storerooms under the sidewalk; be fun to get a picture.

My husband doesn’t live there now, but when I met him he lived in “garden” apartment in Bridgeport with the sidewalk and street above the level he lived on. Not only was there a space under the sidewalk (at the time taken over by a stray cat and her kittens) but I seem to recall him saying about in some neighborhoods outhouses were located there, too. Sorry, no pictures from back then.

You’d want to look for people living south and southwest of the limits of the 1871 Chicago Fire. As I said, I know these places still existed in Bridgeport in the late 1980’s, probably Canaryville, Back-of-the-Yards, maybe parts of Chinatown… possibly other areas like that. The areas where the bottom living level is 4-5 feet below the street.

The sunken yards are almost exclusively a South Side thing. I have seen one or two over by North and Damen but that’s about it.

A lot of the North Side ones have had the grades raised over the years, but you still see some - there used to be a few lots on Clybourn just north of North Ave., for example, where the lot grade was two or three feet below the sidewalk. On the east side of Clybourn between North and Division there was, or at least used to be, a prairie filling most of a block that’s maybe three feet below grade. I don’t know the history of the site and possibly there’s some alternative explanation for this, e.g., it was excavated.

I agree you see below-street-grade lots more on the South Side, partly because it has had less redevelopment but possibly also because drainage historically has been worse there.

When I was working downtown, I was shown to the lower level pedestrian tunnels in the Loop that connected Marshall Fields and many of the office buildings. I do remember there being gates and some of them being blocked off. It seems that many of the office workers used them to get between buildings during bad weather. I cannot remember exactly, but I believe we used stairs in most cases to get to them.

North of the river, Lower Wacker was an actual underworld of parked cars, delivery vans, & homeless people living out of big cardboard boxes and of course the Billy Goat Tavern. Most of the buildings on North Michigan had entrances off the lower level, and I used to park below and near the NBC Tower & in gravel lots before the hotels were built along the river in Streeterville. It was never very marshy/wet there at all. And it was actually all very safe too. With the Tribune building fully alive every morning, it was like stepping back into Chicago’s past, and I treasure those memories. Oh, BTW, that was circa 1988/9ish.

My wife and I have wandered around a lot of Chicago’s lower streets. Probably the single coolest one is Lower Randolph, which seems to actually be lower than the lake, with stairs at the end up to the beach. There is a convenience store that has an entrance one story up from the street, that’s in the basement of an apartment building.

Wow, something I know a little about first hand. Not sunken houses, unfortunately, but professionally I do know a little about what’s underground in the Loop.

The story that I had heard about the South Side sinking houses from my old history professor is that the streets and the neighborhoods were originally built up well before the sewers were laid. That meant that in many neighborhoods the residents relied upon outhouses, or “privy closets,” as the Chicago Municipal Code calls them. In fact, section 7-28-530 and its following paragraphs paint a peculiarly pungent portrait of old Chicago as you never got to experience it. Some choice passages:

“The general privy accommodations of any place of human habitation shall not be permitted within any such place of habitation or under any sidewalk adjacent thereto.”

“It shall constitute, and is hereby declared, a nuisance for any person to erect or maintain any privy as near as 40 feet to any public way, dwelling, [etc.] . . . unless the privy be furnished with a substantial vault six feet deep . . . and sufficiently secured and enclosed.”

“All privies or catchbasins, any part of the contents of which are above the surface, or within two feet of the surface of the earth, and all other privies or catchbasins that are foul, or emit smells and odors prejudicial to the public health, are hereby declared nuisances . . . .”

“No person shall draw off, or allow to run off into any ground, public way or place of the city, the contents, or any part thereof, of any vault, privy, cistern, cesspool, or catchbasin . . . .”

Takes you back, doesn’t it? Anyway, what we find from this is that a legal privy closet either had to be set back from both the street and the house by 40 feet, or had to be fitted with a vault at least 6 feet deep, and in any case had to be outside but not under the sidewalk. Since they had to be pumped out from time to time, putting it next to the sidewalk made a lot of sense so that the contents could be trucked off.

My history professor went on to explain that, when the sewers finally came, the simplest way to connect them to the existing privies was just to lay the sewer at or near grade, connect up to the outhouse vault, and then backfill enough to provide good drainage and prevent the sewers from freezing, which is what was done. The residents being obviously reluctant to jack up their houses to match the street, the result was what you now see: a sunken yard and first floor, relative to the street, but really just reflecting what was once the level of the neighborhood.

Now, for the Loop. What you have downtown is a mishmosh of things, as you would expect. Many of the older buildings do have vaulted sidewalks, where the basement actually extends under the sidewalk and is used for storage or other purposes. This is particularly useful when you build a trapdoor into the sidewalk, since it’s possible to move goods between the street and the storeroom without having to go through the store. The Berghoff used to have a setup like this, and I remember seeing them hoisting kegs of beer out of the basement and directly onto the sidewalk using a little elevator that came up through a hatch. In any event, these were designed into the construction of the building, and aren’t a leftover from what was once street grade. Many of these vaults are now in bad shape and the City has been trying to fill them in whenever they do a major rehab project on the street.

The pedestrian tunnels downtown that laurengr12 remembers are probably a part of the Pedway. They’re pretty cool, but not really a secret: they connect to several of the subway stations, and the City posts a map of them on its Web site.

On to more secret stuff. It’s fair to say that the city hasn’t sunken over the past few years. In fact, even the construction of Lower Wacker doesn’t reflect a manufactured “sinking” effect: here is a photo of Market Street (now the west leg of Lower Wacker) showing the Civic Opera House, and you can see that the street level at the corner hasn’t changed very much (but it has changed some; more on this later).

We all know about the former Chicago Tunnel Company freight subway mentioned above. To recap, it’s a series of small tunnels dug out quietly at the end of the 19th century, about 40 feet down, to provide freight service to downtown buildings. These were abandoned in 1957 and mostly forgotten until they flooded. There are some abandoned streetcar tunnels under the river as well, though they don’t continue much further than that. There are also some water tunnels, many feet down, crossing straight through without regard for lot lines. None of these sound like Butcher’s Undertown: they are all too utilitarian.

There is at least one spot downtown that’s more like what Butcher describes, though, and one that I’ve had the privilege of visiting. Not far from the river there is an ordinary manhole cover in the street that, when opened, leads down to a street from another era. There is an old granite cobblestone surface with a couple of manholes in it (the reason for having the cover on the current street surface). It’s pretty clear from looking at the surrounding area that it was formed when the street was elevated to reach a bridge over the river. Apparently the City’s engineers didn’t want to pay to rebuild the manholes, so they just left them in place, provided an open space over them and provided access down from the new street so the utility workers could still get in.

Is this the source for Butcher’s Undertown? Maybe even an access point for a mythical Chicago of abandoned storefronts and secret roadways? Hardly; this spot is only about 20’ x 30’ and walled in with concrete on all four sides; there isn’t even access to the neighboring buildings from this little room. I suppose that someone might have heard of this or something like it and expanded it into a realm of forgotten streets, and Butcher picked it up from there and ran with it, but it’s such a small piece of the city that I doubt it.

I’m assisting Cecil with research for a Straight Dope Chicago column on this subject and would love to hear more about the above. However, a note to your e-mail address at IIT bounced. Can you e-mail me? Thanks!

Please bear in mind that I’m also writing, you know fantasy. :slight_smile: Undertown was never meant to be a realistic description of Chicago’s various tunnels and underground spaces (of which there really are quite a few, with a really interesting history). It sort of starts there, and then turns into fantasy about the time Harry starts getting twitchy about going any further.

And hey! The Field Museum to Evanston is doable at 35 mph (which is how fast the TRex ran in Jurassic Park, and which is most likely physically impossible, but what the hell it was a zombie anyway), provided you have the advantage of being able to ignore traffic lights and stomp flat any traffic that gets in your way. :slight_smile:

The fictional version of Chicago is… well, fictional. I get as close as I can within the resources I have (which were very limited during the writing of the first seven or eight books), but it was never meant to be a perfect mirror of actual Chicago. I mean, jeez, I’d never even visited Chicago until the release of book 9.

(No parking lot? At your baseball stadium? Who DOES that? Answer: Chicago does. Now I know.)

Dresden-universe Chicago is and was always supposed to be nothing but a recognizable facsimile. Try not to feel like I’m trying to describe the town folks actually live in. It’s supposed to be sort of close, and with wizards and vampires and zombie dinosaurs and things. :slight_smile:

I’ve been working harder, during the writing of the last two or three books, to actually get a little more accurate, now that I have more resources to do it with. Up until the TV series went up, I was pretty much limited to books, intermittent contacts within the city who would exchange emails, and the history channel. Hell, when I got started on the series in 1995, the widespread use of the /internet/ was still relatively recent.

Now that the series is more widely read, I know more folks in Chicago to whom I can ask questions, I have a Chicago-area resident who kindly beta-reads the novels for me as I get them written, and I can even afford the occasional visit. I’ve actually been to several of the places I’ve written about in the most recent couple of books, the graphic novel, and some of the short stories I’ve done this year.

So, you know. I’m working on making the facsimile more accurate. Please don’t beat me up when I visit in April. :smiley:

Jim