The Sinking Mall

Perhaps a new UL in the making: about ten years ago after the Emerald Square Mall in No. Attleboro, Mass. opened up, there was a rumor floating around that the mall was slowly sinking because the engineers had neglected to account for the weight of people in the mall. The rumor was quickly dismissed.

But now, since the new Providence Place Mall has opened in Providence, RI, the same rumor has cropped up in relation to this mall but for some other reason. A newspaper article alluded to the idea that this rumor has been heard for other malls as well, but didn’t give any details.

I’m wondering if anyone else has heard any reference to this type of rumor with any other malls having been built across the country. Is this a UL that comes up with almost every new mall?


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This sounds a lot like the UL about the new college library sinking because the architect didn’t account for the weight of the books.


But where were the Spiders?

I agree, it’s just a variant of the library UL.

However, at my father’s college, they did forget to tell the architect just how many books professors keep in their offices. After a new office building was complete, they announced they only something like 100 lbs of books are allowed in each office. After much complaint the limit was removed - with no reinforcement or any change to the building. It’s not sinking though, as far as he knows.

Probably a rumor started by Main Street merchants’.

Ray (Screw 'mall.)

The Palisades Center Mall opened, in Nyack New York. Within a year, the rumor was floating that it was sinking, and that tenants were suing for their leases to be released. ( Always helps out an UL to make us think an attorney is involved ).

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I’m embarassed to say that I didn’t know this was a UL :o.

Same rumor making the rounds about a big mall in a suburb of Buffalo, New York, or at least it was when I was there in 1994-1995.

-Melin


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Eutychus, take a look just to our east to the North Dartmouth Mall. I doubt it’s actually sinking, but the way they have the place built on the side of, not into, a hill, it would make you think its sinking.

Here in Swansea, there are some buisnesses on Rte 6 that have sunk into the ground. Not from miscalculations of their interiors, but because they were built on a peat bog. Hoy Tin Resturant rings a bell…the building is slanted in 3 directions when you look at the front.

Jeremy…

Nobody ever calls me after they’ve done something smart.

You want to see some sinking buildings? Go visit Port St. Lucie in Florida, the ‘fastest growing city in the State.’

Why, I don’t know because it is built in Florida flat lands, has a high water table, is a hot, humid place in summer, too warm in the winter, laid out like a plate of spaghetti, is one of the few Florida Coastal cities with NO BEACH access, is directly across from the local nuclear plant, and large portions of it are built in natural, boggy flood zones.

General Development Corporation built most of it. They basically plowed everything down, did as little back filling as possible, built cheap, wood frame houses, covered them with a thin layer of cement stucco and sold them at outrageous prices. They plowed in a bunch of roads with conflicting numbered lots,and did not consider the tendency of the ground to become sponge-like and marshy during the yearly rainy season.

The place is rich in Florida muck, a black mass of soil consisting of rotting vegetation that reeks highly, is slimy and is GREAT fertilizer but is unstable when wet and dries out to almost a powder. (A 4 foot deep layer of the stuff, when exposed to the sun, can loose something like 2 1/2 feet of depth as it dries.)

A whole bunch of buildings, including medical ones, of multiple stories were hastily built on this stuff with a thin layer of fill over it to ‘hide’ it and, now, years later, they are sinking. Foundations are cracking, walls have developed splits and GDC has, after being sued several times by almost everyone anywhere they built in Florida, has left the area.

They leveled out a vast tract of land in the Florida Savannas, which is a swamp right on the ONLY ancient earthquake fault in the State. Much of the Savannas are under water, with bottomless holes leading into the underground water filled caverns of the State and the place actually has a tide. (It is now illegal to build on that zone.) After some of the heavy rains there, one dares NOT drive off of the paved roads onto the shoulders because your car will sink into the mud. Houses have been built up on something like 3 and 4 feet of fill and hover on these ridiculously tiny mounds and they are still settling and sinking some.

GDC ripped out nearly all of the native, ground firming trees and plants, left behind a bunch of weeds and planted these scrawny, spindly Oaks you see in shopping malls that never seem to grow, built a bunch of houses there and split. Now, the zone is a flood area – and does so frequently, though not much more than 6 inches of water. Plus, since it is nice and FLAT, it is a perfect target for the occasional tornado and since it is along the East Coast, not far from the shore of the Atlantic Ocean, it gets full benefit of the yearly hurricane winds – and no old growth trees to blunt the force.

Yet, the place attracts people like a rotting Possum on the roadside attracts flies. The Mets winter there in a huge stadium built on slightly better ground, where they parade around and ignore their fans.

A Club Med is there, a French run hotel resort, right on the banks of the St. Lucie River, though I don’t know why. In the summer, and all year long, the river is a muddy, brown flow and the place smells of rotting vegetation and the humidity in the hot rainy season gets something like a rain forest. The only thing you can do is splash about with the local alligators, or play golf on this big, wandering course that cuts through a lower middle class housing district. (The green is often so soggy that one squishes when one walks across it.)

They ought to call the place the ‘City that is Sinking,’ though GDC is no longer building there. Newer companies have that nasty task now and they are discovering another little funny thing. It seems that the independent contractors who hired on with GDC and built out there did not often want to truck their industrial waste back through the lonely miles of scrubland, so they dumped the shit any place, often burying it and building homes on top. Now it is getting into the water supply.

They had some big investigation there a few years back because too many kids in one area were developing cancer and people started mentioning all of the construction trash that was now starting to come to the surface. I don’t know how it came out. They don’t have anything for their kids to do, except go to school and do dope because they have to travel into the neighboring cities to get to the beach. They have few nightclubs but a lot of shopping plazas.

Now, the one cool thing I did notice about the ‘sinking city’ is that they have no minority zones or clusters. People of all colors live integrated all over the place. No Black section, no Asian, Indian or other zones. They do have a very low rate of local race related crime, which I find interesting.


Maybe they are all too busy getting high off the smells of the rotting vegetation soil? Just kidding.

Sounds like you have a serious grudge against these people (not like they don’t sound like a lot of imbeciles anyways), but I am curious. Did you or someone you know get burned by these poor excuses for land developers?


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No, I didn’t know anyone who got burned by them, but I worked there for a year or so and got to know the place real well. I was one of the people, who when they started investigating the kids with cancer, who sent in some information about the buried construction trash because I used to see it all over the place in empty lots. Plus, I worked there BEFORE the big growth boom and couldn’t believe how crappy the place was then!

Most cities are designed around a simple grid pattern, in which they put the streets, avenues and so on, then the general numbering, plus the North and South designations but in Port Saint Lucie, none of that was accomplished. If you take a map and look at the city, it actually looks like a handful of that stringy spaghetti was slapped down on paper. The numbering system was way off. One street might be numbered in 3 digits and the next one in 4 - going in the opposite way! On one, the odd and even sequence – you know – right side odd, left side even numbers SWITCHED in the middle of a curve.

As the place grew, it became apparent that the city had not been designed for explosive growth and they had to rip out the main roads, move houses or tear them down, and widen them! The zoning was so weird that they had a lot of businesses situated in homes in residential areas! It was strange to watch them hastily build a shopping plaza, then two years later, rip it all down and build another, bigger one on top of the old! One time they cleared a lot for an office building and came to a stop when they found the corner section of a wall buried in the brush! Someone had built a right angle corner out there some time ago, like one of those decorative walls surrounding a development and forgotten it. Then the contractors had to stop and do a search to make sure the land was theirs for it was listed as undeveloped. That was ALL they found, was the wall and no other signs of any other construction in the area!! They never found out why the wall was there either nor who had built it.

Cities north and south of Port St. Lucie all have bridges going across the river to the main barrier island, where the big beaches are for swimming and surfing and such, but Pt. St. Lucie had none! Plus, what little land was available for development on the river was residential, so one could not even go and easily fish there and there was no place to launch boats or install a business along the edge.

To make things even better, the nuclear plant is down wind on the barrier island, so any radiation leaks get to flow right into the city. All across the city they have these huge, rectangular radiation warning sirens set up so if a problem comes up, people can be warned. Of course, they have only 3 potential escape routes out of the city and those are, even today, clogged with traffic. A friend of mine, who worked in city management, told me once that if Port St. Lucie ever had a disaster and tried to follow their required escape plans, that most of the population could kiss their asses good bye and if the nuclear plant ever leaked, he guessed that a whole bunch of locals would be glowing in the dark.

Someone built a big plaza there and after a two year period, it was mainly empty with only about 6 stores left in the place and a radio station. It was spooky as hell to walk through the convoluted place with so many empty spots and it’s HUGE empty parking lot. Naturally, in typical GDC building tactics, they stripped the land bare for hundreds of feet in all directions, dug a bunch of salvage ponds and poked in a bunch of feeble young trees, so, at night, walking around there was even creepier.

Most cities in Florida have a tree law, where you are not allowed to remove certain types of trees or you are required to have X number of trees on your land but not in Port St. Lucie. Their contractors liked to rip everything out and plunk a building on the spot.

Anyone who moves there, in my opinion, is asking for trouble somewhere down the line.

Yeah, same problem in Charleston, mostly. The entire city is built on a freaking marsh. If there’s a worse place to start a colony, I’d be hard pressed to think of it. The place is either sand or muck, basically.

Anyway, the building for Veterans Affairs has sunk some since they built it, so they say.


I sold my soul to Satan for a dollar. I got it in the mail.

Too bad the mall near us is built on a shelf of rock that’s just under the ground. I’d really be happy to see that abomination sink into the ground!

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