Chicks with Hairy Pits!!!! Seen on TV!!!!

[Purd_Werfect]

*Originally posted by SpyderA48 *
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You know, mostly I’ve found that those ladies who assert their right to be hairy or natural are usually those who have pretty well flopped in the dating scene, given up on trying to look attractive, ‘accepted themselves for who they are,’ talk a whole lot about the inner person and get irritated when guys like me suggest we find certain female grooming practices desirable.

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You know, mostly I’ve found that those people who assert their right to be shallow or willfully prejudiced are usually those who have pretty well flopped with the whole self-esteem scene, given up on really trying to see and accept others for who they are and instead judge them on how well they match fantasy ideas the judger carries around, ‘interested in others only as personal extension accessories’ talk a whole lot about how what swell catches they themselves are, and get irritated when others who do not share their views on grooming let 'em know how moronic they sound whilst bellowing it in public.

And on another note, it’s not just ouraged hairy women taking you to task here.

[Freudian_Slit]

*Originally posted by SpyderA48 *
Girls are supposed to be somewhat more delicate than guys, which is part of their attractiveness. I mean a guy doesn’t want to date someone who looks like another guy, well most guys anyhow. Hetero guys.

I never knew not removing the hair from your arm pits made you more of a guy. Guess a lot more of us have been using the wrong restroom, hm?

As for more delicate…I don’t think so. Naturally- if you wanna get into that- women are less muscular than men, what with the childbearing thing, but delicate? Delicacy doesn’t really have much of anything to do with gender, IMHO.

**Did I miss something in the fashion changes of teens? Are hairy pits in? I hope not. Please tell me that they’re not! If they are, that means within a few years, young women will be sporting hairy pits. I can’t stand that!
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Yeah, because we dress/style our hair/remove it, all because we want to impress the male over 18 set. :rolleyes:

Alright, for the record, i’m sixteen and yes, I wax my legs/underarms. Occasionally, anyway…personally I don’t see it as a big deal. I think the problem most people are finding with your OP is that you seem to impose your view point onto eveyone else. That is, just b/c you think females should be relatively hairless, doesn’t mean we are going to see it like that…

Beauty is as you see it. One more thing: if you see it as your right to find teen girls sexy, don’t go out of your way to be outraged when you see a “hairy” seventeen year old. You don’t set trends. That is all.

[MandaJo]

Another problem wiht your post is that you seem to feel that your opinions are the opinions of “men” as if having the same genatalia somehow empowers you to speak for half the human race. I don’t care what you like in a woman, man, or goat. What I don’t like is your attitude that:

a guy doesn’t want to date someone who looks like another guy, well most guys anyhow. Hetero guys.

This is ridiculous. The fact that my husband dosen’t really care about the state of my body hair does not mean he is a freak or gay–it just means that he is diffreent than you. A whole lot of people are different than you and that is OK. Feel free to say “I don’t like this” (though why you think it is worth starting a thread over I am sure I don’t know) but don’t say “us guys” don’t like this. You haven’t the right to speak for anyone other than yourself, and you need to realize that your perspective on life does not reflect what is “normal”–the “normal” dosen’t even exisit in a culture as diverse as ours.

[Protesilaus]

*Originally posted by SpyderA48 *
I should have known I’d draw the ire of hairy women.

‘Hairy women’? That’s kind of a loaded phrase. We’re not talking about the She-wolf of London here. They just choose not to shave.
And, as previously mentioned, I’m male.

I’ll lump them all together.

Yeah, you do tend to do that, don’t you?

**I’ve looked at many an old photographs of people taken as far back as 100 years ago and found that, in comparison with current standards, most were homely or down right ugly. **

Since I’m guessing that most of the women in those photos are in full Victorian dress, how can you tell what parts of the body they’ve shaved?

They certainly don’t look like the movies portray them.

Gasp! Hollywood has lied to us!

Not to mention what bathing once a week does for the general aroma!

You can tell what people smelled like from photographs? Damn, you’re good.

Ever notice how both women and men, in these old photographs, tended to look like they were in their 30s or 40s when they were actually in their 20s? Even pictures from the 50s show high school kids looking like miniature editions of their older folks.

That’s because nutrition is better today. People are taller on average now than they were 100 years ago too. Is it because they groom themselves better?

I tend to avoid women who light their farts and think it’s funny.

I tend to avoid anyone who does this, but what does it have to do with the subject at hand?

To me, hairy pits on a woman automatically give off the impression that they stink, even if they do not, though I’m quite sure that not everyone feels this way.

Correct, I tend to make decisions on people I meet based on what they do, not what others who I perceive to be like them have done.

[elmwood]

Ever notice how both women and men, in these old photographs, tended to look like they were in their 30s or 40s when they were actually in their 20s? Even pictures from the 50s show high school kids looking like miniature editions of their older folks.

AFAIK, back in the “goold old days,” there was far less differentation between the fashions and hairstyles of youth, and that of adults. If you were 16 years old, you wore a dark suit and hat to a baseball game during the middle of summer, just like your old man.

There’s also something about that 1940s style hair … I have no idea what it’s called, but that style you often see in movies and old high school yearbooks seems to age a woman by about ten years. Look at the face alone, and it’s obvious the person donning the hairstyle is much younger.

To me, hairy pits on a woman automatically give off the impression that they stink, even if they do not, though I’m quite sure that not everyone feels this way.

(Dons flame-retardant suit)

When I see hairy pits, I think “lesbian.” I know not all lesbians have hairy pits, and that not all straight women shave, but I do think it’s safe to assume that they’re “out of the market.”

InternetLegend may be right in saying “maybe even their legs hairy just so they know they won’t have to deal with men like you.” Which brings me back to an old question of mine – is it ever appropriate to “cold call,” and approach a woman that you’re interested in? I’m beginning to think, increasingly, the answer is “no” – men are always seen as threats, and it’s best just to stay far away, lest one appear to be a potential axe murderer or stalker.

[SpoilerVirgin]

*Originally posted by SpyderA48 *
**(Wincing slightly.)

Everyone likes to talk about the person within, but the majority go by the person displayed. I’ve looked at many an old photographs of people taken as far back as 100 years ago and found that, in comparison with current standards, most were homely or down right ugly. They certainly don’t look like the movies portray them. They were more ‘natural’ than we are today. Astonishing what washing the face with lye soap does to the complexion! Not to mention what bathing once a week does for the general aroma! Most folks felt that bathing more than once a week was ‘unnatural’ back then.

I like the standards of today, thank you, over the more natural ones of yesteryear.
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Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason you find those people in old photographs “homely or downright ugly” is precisely because you have been raised with a certain societal standard? You prefer the standards of today over the ones of yesteryear because you’ve been taught from infancy that those standards define beauty.

But as you’ve observed, standards change. What was “fashionable” or “beautiful” in one generation may not be so in the next.

If you have your own standard of beauty, that’s fine. But requiring everyone to conform to your standard is insensitive and arrogant (even if that standard is the “majority” standard). Until this century, women didn’t shave their legs. Then advertisers began promoting smooth legs as the ideal of feminine beauty, and suddenly it became a requirement.

Suppose tomorrow the razor companies realized what a market they were missing by not promoting men shaving their legs and pits? Would you go along with the prevailing standard because Gillette told you to? Or would you do what made you feel the most comfortable?

If you don’t want to date unshaven women, that’s your right. If you want to turn off the TV when you see a hairy woman, that’s your right too. But don’t tell all of the women of the world that they have to conform to what you want (they’ll only laugh at you anyway.)

[Lamia]

*Originally posted by SpyderA48 *
**Thank you, morality cop.

I hate to break your bubble, but many, many normal men find teens attractive, even though they dasn’t touch! It’s called biology. A girl just doesn’t magically sprout sex appeal and attractiveness after she reaches 19 you know.
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Apparently she magically sprouts sex appeal and attractiveness after she shaves her armpits. Explain the biological basis for that.

While you’re at it, you can explain why on earth you think young girls are obligated to make themselves attractive for your viewing pleasure. Do you think girls like being leered at by old men? I know I didn’t, and if I had thought that allowing my armpit hair to blow in the breeze would have protected me from it then I would have gladly taken to wearing strapless tops.

[jeyen]

SpyderA48, I understand that you’re just relaying your opinion. I don’t want to debate your opinion. There are physical grooming habits that I find icky too. (FTR, hairy armpits on any adult human of any gender is not one of them.)

But I’m mystified by this statement:

*Originally posted by SpyderA48 *
I tend to avoid women who light their farts and think it’s funny. I find a woman who enjoys being very female much more pleasant and attractive – be she a corporate executive, brain surgeon, stock broker or artist, than one who has to be one of the guys.

Can you clarify?

What does lighting or not lighting farts have to do with being female or enjoying being female?

What does being female or enjoying being female have to do with shaving?

What does being one of the guys have to do with shaving or enjoying being female?

Ya stumped me.

Jeyen

PS – I reserve the right to debate your opinion later.

[ChoosyChipsAndCeilingWhacks]

Isn’t there already a pit thread about assholes who declare their physical preferences as if they were the law of the land?

You certainly have a right to your preferences. If weak muscles or overweight people or women who don’t wear eyeshadow make you feel repulsed, then that’s your problem. But I don’t know why people bring this stuff up here as if it’s news. Are you suggesting that everyone should conform to your idea of attractive? Is this some big lesson you think we should all learn?

Oh my god! I’m running in to the bathroom RIGHT NOW to make sure I’m shaved appropriately for you! I understand that this is supposed to be mundane, pointless stuff, but I’m beginning to think these “I hate the way these people choose to look” threads really ought to be in the pit.

It also occurs to me that shaving my legs and underarms was something my mother showed me how to do as a young teen. Depending on the age of the teens in question, maybe they were just BARELY entering puberty, did anyone think of that? We’re not BORN shaving for crying out loud.

As cliché as it sounds, there are going to be people out there who choose to groom themselves or wear their respective bodies in ways you’re not attracted to. Thus (here comes the BIG cliché) please feel free to NOT look at them, not date them, not buy them lollipops, whatever. In fact, I’d strongly suggest that in the case of teenaged girls. And while I do understand that men can be aroused by underaged women, the fact that you KNEW these were young girls and STILL insisted on typifying them as sex objects makes you not only a complete and utter asshole, but also, about one step away from a criminal.

Do you live in a trailer?

-L

[OneChance]

Originally posted by Purd Werfect
You know, mostly I’ve found that those people who assert their right to be shallow or willfully prejudiced are usually those who have pretty well flopped with the whole self-esteem scene

Oh please, Purd. What are you saying? That you don’t care one iota what someone looks like? Give me a freakin’ break. You don’t have to lie to make friends. There is no way that you date someone based 100% on personality. People who say they do are just trying to be superior. I find fat unattractive, as well as hairy armpits, farting, long toenails, ugly feet, short hair (most of the time), large noses, among others. That doesn’t mean I would never be friends with someone who had hairy armpits, but I’d certainly think twice before dating them.

[OneChance]

*Originally posted by Manda JO *
The fact that my husband dosen’t really care about the state of my body hair…

Your husband is obviously lying for your benefit. Of course he’s not going to tell you to shave where he wants you to shave for fear of possibly angering you. Of course, I don’t know you or your husband, but that’s what I’m gathering here. Why don’t you go out to the beach this summer with your hairy armpits and hairy legs for all to see, then come back here and tell me how many guys try to pick you up? I’ll assume not too many, except for the homely guys who are so desperate that they’ve removed “clean-shaven” from their list of wants in a woman in order to rule out less women.

I’ll stick to my preference of women looking like I think a women should look, and you stick to your preference of not shaving, and let’s just be happy that our paths will probably never cross and you’ll never see the grossed out look on my face when you raise your arms and expose your mountain of fur.

[Purd_Werfect]

OneChance, of course I have personal tastes. I have initial physical attractions, and what I’ve found is that they generally have very little to do with what I end up thinking of the person once I actually talk with that person. I’m not suggesting that anyone pretend they’re blind, nor am I suggesting that I’m above all judgement based on appearance. But to assume that someone smells, or has given up on dating, or has relatively little worth, sexual or otherwise, due to physical aspects, IS acting shallow, and IS acting willfully ignorant. Some of the most attractive and desirable people I’ve ever met had little initial romantic appeal for me, until I bothered to find out more about who they were.

People have their own taste, and that’s great. But to go into a public forum, and spout about what losers some group of people are due to the way they look, such as SpyderA48 did, is pretty idiotic in my book.

And thanks for suggesting that I lie to make friends. The quality of your insight is astounding.

[Fletch]

SpyderA48, you will start to reach maturity when you learn to look on the inside for qualities in women and men. Are you as shallow in your viewpoints in regard to skin color, religion or lack of religion, political views or sexual preferences? :wally

[OneChance]

Sorry Purd. It appeared that you thought physical attraction was for losers with low self-esteem. My bad. Myself, I look for a woman who I find physically attractive and has a good personality. That’s what I call the total package. And part of my definition of physical attraction is well-shaven armpits. I’m not trying to defend Spyder, and maybe he needs to get out more, but I do agree with him that hairy armpits is unattractive. His speaking for all males everywhere was just going too far, IMHO.

[Una_Persson]

*Originally posted by SexyWriter *
Isn’t there already a pit thread about assholes who declare their physical preferences as if they were the law of the land?

You mean, this one?

Personal Appearance Flamers - FUCK YOU!

[nashiitashii]

*Originally posted by nineiron *
**Nope, Spyder, you’re not the only one. That look on women is absolutely repulsive. **

IMO, it’s repulsive no matter who it’s on. Guys with what looks like a drain clog growing in their armpits grosses me out totally. But I am not about to make someone shave in areas they don’t shave already for my preferences, and I don’t object to viewing it in passerby occasionally.

[ChoosyChipsAndCeilingWhacks]

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Anthracite *
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You mean, this one?

Personal Appearance Flamers - FUCK YOU! **

Yes, that one.

And I hate to harp on this. But I was thinking about it, oddly enough, while I was in the bathroom just now. Shaving my legs. I was thinking that while I usually consider myself pretty feminist, I often deal with my body hair on the basis of what my lover enjoys. When I have one, that is. Don’t worry…I’m not one of those “surrendered women” or anything. It’s just something I don’t mind doing for a partner. If he wants it hairy, (whatever IT may be) I leave it hairy. If he wants it shaved, I shave it.

The thing is, I’m not YOUR lover…know what I mean? Therefore, I see no reason to be subjected to your (general, not specific) opinion on the subject. And neither does anyone else who isn’t interested in fucking your pea-brained, trailer trash self.

Sure, it’s true. Most people have physical preferences. In fact, there are porn magazines DEVOTED to hairy women. Some men like this, and perhaps those young girls were dating those men. Personally, I like obnoxiously tall men…I’m talking OBNOXIOUSLY tall. My last lover was 6’8". I also have a little fetish for physicians, like hairy chests, etc. But I don’t feel I (or anyone else) have a right to start spouting about how disgusting I find men without hairy chests.

I also think that this absolutist language is ridiculous. You can’t tell me that the neanderthal man who made the OP would turn down an incredibly hot, gorgeous, sexy woman, just because she hadn’t shaved her underarms yet that week. Just the same way I don’t turn down men who haven’t chosen to become doctors, are aren’t enormously tall if they have other things about them that are attractive. This sounds a little bit like he’s trying to use some lame-ass excuse. “Well, none of the chicks around are up to MY standards, THAT’S why I’m not getting laid.”

Really…I think these kinds of threads DO belong in the pit. If you’re going to start some lame ass argument about how your physical preferences should be EVERYONE’S physical preferences, then take it where the rest of the lame ass arguments go. As much as this is supposed to be mundane and pointless, your physical preferences in underaged girls are awfully far down in the “don’t give a flying fuck” column.

-L

[MandaJo]

OneChance:

Your husband is obviously lying for your benefit. Of course he’s not going to tell you to shave where he wants you to shave for fear of possibly angering you. Of course, I don’t know you or your husband, but that’s what I’m gathering here.

This is exactly the attitude I am talking about–sharing a set of plumbing with someone gives you no particular insight into how they think. It blows my mind that anyone could be so sheltered that they haven’t discovered this on thier own. Do you not ever listen to other people? You don’t know my husband, you don’t know me. For you to suppose that you know him better than me, know when he is lying because “he’s a guy like me” and I have only spent thousands of hours talking to him is simply preposterous.

Furthermore, I find the idea that my husband could be scared of me to be insulting to us both. Perhaps your relationships are charecterized by mutual fear of each other, but that is yet another example of how your “normal” is not “normal” for everyone.

[Theios]

I think it’s funny how folks keep describing the offending pit hair. “Great gnarly mats of tangled growth!” You’d think I was harboring a sentient, menacing mound of body hair that was more akin to the monsters in “Day of the Trifids.” In reality, it’s just a little light brown tuft of underarm hair. Big deal.
I don’t agree that not shaving means I have poor grooming habits. I’m very concerned about body odor, oral hygiene, clean and trim fingernails and the rest of the lot. Most of our grooming habits have an impact on heath as well as presenting ourselves well to others. I just don’t lump leg and pit hair in that group. Most of the time my hairy bits are hidden by cloths anyway. Who cares? My friends and family sure don’t.

[BoBettie]

…I’m just now starting to see a connection with my problem of never getting dates when I was younger…

I tend to avoid women who light their farts and think it’s funny.

That’s probably because you’ve never seen me do it. Trust me, it’s hilarious. I sell tickets! Sometimes I use a Zippo lighter, and it is truely a sight to behold.

I find fat unattractive, as well as hairy armpits, farting, long toenails, ugly feet, short hair (most of the time), large noses, among others

Can you bend on the ugly feet? I’m seriously trying to fix mine up- I’ve got a wicked plantars wart right now. Do you know how hard those are to get rid of? Sheesh. Anyway, I’m getting some good personal hygeine/appearance tips here. Thanks!

What do you guys think of dandruff? I’ve got a wicked case, and I don’t know if it makes me attractive or not. My husband says he loves it, but I don’t know. He also said he liked my fart lighting, and I’m starting to doubt his word now. I know I scare him so bad he’d likely never tell the truth, but you guys can tell me. Really.

Big, nasty dandruff flakes.
Love 'em or leave 'em?

Zette