FORCED abortion, sterilization, prison camps, loss of home/loss of medical and other social benefits…you feel all of these are fair actions of the government because you got pregnant in China?? Seriously? :eek:
I said “abortions.” I do not see any reference to prison camps or any of the other things you mentioned. Why do you feel the need to add words that I did not say?
We are talking about the entire policy and how it was actually implemented in China, not selective parts of it. All of those things and more were part of the policy and how it was enforced in China, which you state isn’t ‘evil’. But, ok…so, you don’t feel the forced abortions are ‘evil’, or don’t feel that abortion, in general is evil (which has nothing to do with this thread, which is about the China one child policy).
I don’t see why torture is evil. The government told you not to criticize the president and you didn’t listen… It’s not like you have anyone else to blame.
Not really, the reason why China is changing policy is because they do notice what the increase of the quality of life is doing, families are having less kids. And as many have noted dropping the one child rule will do very little to counter the trend of people having less kids in developed and almost developed nations.
Gotta cite? I had twins in China 10 years ago, and left China about 5 years ago. At least in my experience, twins were rare and there were no chain stores catering to twins.
It’s important to be clear on time lines. In the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, the one child policy was draconianly enforced across the country. No doubt there were local exceptions but by and large enforced heavy handedly until this century.
You’re pointing out the relaxation that happened in the past 10 years or so. Your data is also from the past decade. That doesn’t negate the previous 25 years.
IMHO it limited population growth by some several hundred million. And was incredibly invasive and part of the State control. At the same time, the one child policy kicked the can down the road by directly contributing to the aging population issue.
A policy that limits the number of children, whether to one or two or three, cannot be sustained in a democracy. If you want to put into place a legal family size limit, you have to accept the authoritarianism that goes with it.
I lived in China for a year and a half and left three months ago. I taught elementary school children, and twins were far from rare. Students and other teachers told me twins were the biggest exception to the policy. I’ve seen the “twins” stores with my own eyes, but don’t recall the name of the chain. I’ll ask around.
I don’t have an online cite, but nonetheless assert that this factual claim is true.
With all the exceptions (and people who found a way to flat-out cheat), the new policy probably institutionalizes what’s already the case, or nearly so.
I’m going to have to ask for a cite for that; I’ve never heard any such claim, unless you mean something like a more informal “sphere of influence” thing.
oh here we go again, heterosexuals whining that it’s “inhumane” to restrict procreation, even while gay couples cannot adopt or even surrogacy and so basically cannot have kids period in china. Their ‘best’ option is to spend about $150,000 coming to the US and hiring a surrogate to have the baby here, then practically smuggle it back into china
Now that is something to get upset about
or it’s “inhumane” to restrict population while china pollutes on a catastrophic level? Is that what you meant?
Whoa…seriously? You are unaware of what China has been doing in the South China Sea?? Well, here you go:
There are a ton of cites on this if you want to Google ‘South China Sea dispute’, and follow up on it. We’ve actually discussed this directly in several threads on the board as well. I didn’t know that anyone was unaware of this since it’s been in the news so much late.
Oh, here we go again complaining about gay people not being able to adopt when gays are killed in some countries. Now, that’s something to get upset about!!