i see, so i’m to not condemn one shitty discriminatory situation because it’s worse somewhere else
oh here we go again complaining that heteros can’t have multiple kids when in some countries…actually i got nothing, heteros have everything tailor made for them everywhere
check the hetero privilege at the door, or at least don’t expect outrage at a slightly lessened massively preferential treatment for heterosexuals
There’s no conflict between the interests of gay Chinese and Chinese who want to have three children. Some are undoubtedly the same people!
As for ‘best’, that is best to you. Some women would find that the best option is artificial insemination, as seems to be possible in China today. What if her best option – as she sees it – is no children – or four children?
China’s population density is roughly the same as Western Europe, but by most measures, China is much more polluted. The idea that without a one or two child policy, catastrophe ensures, is coming from ideology, not fact.
Xi Jinping sees lots of catastrophes that would occur if China democratizes, and an end to child-bearing limits would obviously be one of them. My ideology says that the risks of freedom are worth it.
Uhm, that was your argument. I just took it to the next logical step.
Ah, I assumed Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor meant to say territorial waters, not territories. Perhaps that was a bad assumption. No, China doesn’t claim all of Vietnam and the Philippines as their territory…just part of their territorial waters (and they feel Vietnam should rightfully be in their sphere of influence).
ETA: As to them being ‘warlike’, you’d have to ask their neighbors. However, the US has commitments world wide, while China mainly acts regionally. If/when China becomes a true world wide super/hyper power, then we’ll see how they act wrt the US’s previous actions. At a guess and based on how they act regionally, and the fact that the US is a check on them doing whatever they want (while basically there are no checks on the US except the US), I’m not really sanguine about how they would be if they were in the top spot. YMMV of course, and IMHO we’ll never know since I don’t see China becoming the worlds super power while the CCP is in power…and if the CCP weren’t in power they would act completely different.
I don’t think China is going to war with anyone over these claims. More likely, they will economically bully smaller countries into acceptance. If China hasn’t bombed Taiwan yet, they’re not going to take over some trade routes. Yes, I know the US is protecting Taiwan, but they haven’t really been serious talks of war in decades.
China’s been flexing its muscles as a new superpower for many years now. However, they know that war is going to set them back. Its much more effective to use social and economic bullying to get what you want because there is almost zero cost for them to do that.
Oh, here we go again complaining about people not being allowed to have as many kids as they want when in some places they grab people and chop off their heads on YouTube. Now, that’s something to get upset about!!
[sarcasm]But didn’t you know? Homosexuality is a decadent Western perversion foreign to indigenous cultures.[/sarcasm]
I raised a question earlier no one else seems to have addressed.
A lot of people have assumed all along that China’s draconian one-child policy was no big deal, because surely the population would soar once again once restrictions were removed.
I’m asking “Says who?” Why do so many seem to assume that Chinese women will dutifully start churning out more babies now? Isn’t it equally likely, even MORE likely that modern Chinese women are like their Japanese and Korean neighbors, and see no great need to rush into marriage or motherhood?
Modern Asian women have a lot more options now. They can be choosy about which men they marry (if they marry at all). And since they know that most Asian males will expect their wives to do 99% of the child care, most Asian women are in no great hurry to have a baby, let alone multiple babies.
Birth rates have plummeted in Korea and Japan. Why wouldn’t they plummet in China too, even when restrictions are lifted?
I think this point was actually addressed up thread, though perhaps not specifically back at you. Basically, these restrictions were already eased somewhat last year, when couples that were only children (i.e. if either parent was an only child) were allowed to file for a second child. This didn’t really have much effect on birth rates, however. This new loosening probably won’t either. People who think this will cause some sort of population explosion in China really are saying that without understanding the underlying issues and are projecting…though I’m not sure from where, considering that birth rates in Europe are often below replacement even with government encouragement and incentives to have more kids. In China with the costs of things, their current economic issues, etc, it’s doubtful that most will take advantage of having a second child, at least in the short term (and probably not in the medium term either). Oh, some will…but then, many of those people who will are already finding ways around the restriction by having their second child in another country, or getting other dispensations because most of them are wealthier and more affluent and/or connected.
One negative not mentioned so far is the 116 - 100 male / female ratio. The question is, will the second child be female, or are they so used to selecting for male children that it will just make matters worse.
I hope you are right, and expect so.
They did shell Taiwan-controlled territory until January 1, 1979.
Maybe I should leave this alone, since it could be good for Taiwan if your claim is believed. However, the US government often says no when Taiwan seeks to buy arms from American arms manufacturers at market prices. Also, the US is not pledged to defend Taiwan. It does not even grant it diplomatic recognition.
As for serious talk, this isn’t talk, but: China began picturing Taiwanese landmarks on it’s passports, starting in 2012. That seems a bit serious to me. In as much as the threats have been more subtle, as in this example, during the past seven years, it is because of Taiwan’s government being controlled by the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) – a party which sees union with China as a goal for the long-term future. It’s true that the KMT, pre-democracy, threatened to do this by violence. But that was long ago. in recent decades, the KMT is the PRC’s preferred Taiwanese party. Back when the other major Taiwanese party, the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), held the presidency (2000 - 2008), the threats were reasonably serious. Current polling shows the DPP to be tremendously far ahead of the KMT*, with elections scheduled for January 16. This is quite likely to bring back the threats**.
I buy this. Xi Jingping does not want war. Unfortunately, when causes for war exist, even political leaders who want to avoid it sometimes find it impossible to do so.
** This article is from a DPP-affiliated web site. It’s in the DPP’s interest to downplay what China will do if they win, so this article can be seen as suggesting the minimum.
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As for serious talk, this isn’t talk, but: China began picturing Taiwanese landmarks on it’s passports, starting in 2012. That seems a bit serious to me. In as much as the threats have been more subtle, as in this example, during the past seven years, it is because of Taiwan’s government being controlled by the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) – a party which sees union with China as a goal for the long-term future. It’s true that the KMT, pre-democracy, threatened to do this by violence. But that was long ago. in recent decades, the KMT is the PRC’s preferred Taiwanese party. Back when the other major Taiwanese party, the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), held the presidency (2000 - 2008), the threats were reasonably serious. Current polling shows the DPP to be tremendously far ahead of the KMT*, with elections scheduled for January 16. This is quite likely to bring back the threats**.
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In addition, China has also built military training facilities that look remarkably like land marks and structures/facilities that are on Taiwan, curiously enough. Such as the international air port and presidential palace. So, I don’t think we could just hand wave away any threat.
I don’t think Xi wants war with Taiwan (or potentially the US) either, but he and his government are already playing the brinkmanship game in the South China Sea area, and skating pretty close to potential hostilities with several regional neighbors. With the economy taking a hit, with rumors of internal issues and the possibility that some workers aren’t getting paid regularly, environmental problems, etc etc, this all seems a way to distract the public…but that can sometimes get out of hand. All it would take is for an over zealous pilot to screw up on one side or the other, or a naval unit to do something stupid from any of a number of nations and we could easily have a shooting war with multiple sides in a region that’s more than just ‘some trade routes’, but has actually a large percentage of the worlds trade transiting it worth trillions a year. I don’t know about you or YogSosoth, but this has a rather high pucker potential.
For anyone interested, China Uncensored has a new episode on this issue on YouTube that talks about a lot of the stuff mentioned in the thread.
We completed our Chinese adoption in October 2013. She was abandoned on the orphanage steps in 2012.
All I can think about, hearing this, is that I am father to the child of an unknown mother halfway across the world, and although I’ll never know for sure, this news must be tearing her apart.
Probably not. Don’t tear yourself up about it, even with this policy little will change, and there are all sorts of factors that could or would cause a woman in China to give up a baby daughter. Feel good that you are giving her a good home, as any adopting parents should feel. 