China's Secret Invasion (YouTube video)

[XT]

@MrDibble

All the language around why what makes what China is doing any different from what America and Europe have done in the past is the language of Yellow Peril rhetoric - the “devious Chinaman” stereotype drips from such phrases as “secret war”, “slimy practice”, “infiltrate”, “subvert”, “dark ends”- you don’t actually ***refute ***that it’s still “old conceptions of the Oriental or some such horseshit” because you know you can’t…the language use speaks for itself. That’s what I’m addressing, and some of that was in the OP, yes. If you think pointing out you’re using the rhetoric of racists is me calling you a racist, that’s on you, though. I’m saying you’re echoing a racist trope, you can do with that information as you like.

And you don’t actually make a case for *why *it’s different from what others have done and continue to do, you just *assert *it is. As if us foreigners don’t have enough experience with how the Western powers have always done exactly the same thing. Only, it’s the “World Bank” and the “IMF” doing the nation-scale payday loan thing, and it’s the CIA doing the infiltrating. It wasn’t the CCP that landed Nelson Mandela in prison, so sign me up for Mandarin lessons.

This from a guy who puts the British Empire in the same league as Stalin, Mao and Hitler. See, that’s the thing. You handwave this stuff away and then say it’s all really equivalent. And from there, you draw the ‘obvious’ (to you) conclusion that this is about race and I’m a racist. We both know that’s exactly what you are implying, so let’s not fuck around with your dancing.

But, see, it’s not about race. It’s about a political system. A political system that is obviously trying to subvert another political system. IF YOU HAD WATCHED THE FUCKING VIDEO YOU’D KNOW THIS. But since you couldn’t be assed, you instead want to try and point to race, because, frankly, that’s all you got. But the Chinese aren’t doing what they are doing because of YELLOW PERIL or some other horseshit like that, it’s not because they are Inscrutable Orientals, it’s because they are run by an extremely evil communist dictatorship who has actual plans, that we know of, to do just what they are doing. Everything I’ve said in this thread is about the CCP…but you don’t get it because you are focused on race. So, we are done…I’m done fucking around with you on this, I’m done with your stupid, one trick pony racist bullshit, and pretty much done with this thread at this point. Watch the video. Or don’t. Think I’m a racist. Or don’t. Understand what I’m getting at wrt what the CCP is doing…or think it’s all because they are Chinese and I have some sort of thing against Chinese or Orientals or gods know what. I don’t give a shit.

[MrDibble]

@XT

IF YOU HAD WATCHED THE FUCKING VIDEO YOU’D KNOW THIS.

I watched the video, actually - the same language is there - “pervasive”, Spalding called the Chinese influence. “Hide and bide”, he called their strategy. Same-same, just wrapped in lots of economic talk and precious little self-reflection on how the West does the same thing.