Choose a semi-auto pistol for me

de nada … I also deride the “range bullies” who ruin the fun.

Having said that, I’ve taken very petite female friends to the range (at their request), and they gravitated to the Model 29. As Paris Hilton would say, “it was hawt”, and they rocked that .44RemMag. I’ve also taken my nephew to the range, and he handled everything well, including my Glock G30 ( a compact autopistol in .45ACP).

If you start people with 9mm, .38Special, .357Mag, .45ACP and the like, they’ll acclimate rapidly, and use those critters as a recoil baseline.

Having said that, the first .44Mag that a person shoots should not be a SW Mountain Gun with a 3" barrel.

As for grip ergonomics, agreed. The first thing that I generally do is get Hogue monogrios for any pistol that I obtain. They make a huge impact in large bore, short barreled weapons, and in pistols whose grip profile may be too straight or narrow for many hands (think Beretta, M1911, Browning Hi Power).

As for preferring larger rounds, yes. The defensive weapon is usually used in relatively close range, with a brief engagement time. This isn’t Miami Vice, and most people aren’t Sonny Crockett making 40’ shots while rolling around with his Bren Ten. The first couple of shots need to count, and the person needs to be trained to rapidly acquire and nail a target’s center of mass, the first time, with capability for accurate second or third shots as follow-up.

That being said, .22LR and .380 aren’t generally good for single-shot disabling/killing shots.

The .38 Special and 9mm Parabellum were good rounds, for their time. In my opinion, the .357Mag replaced the .38Special, and the .40SW replaced the 9mm Parabellum. Although FN would prefer to replace the 9mm para with their 5.7mm round, the one that goes supersonic and punches neat little holes in body armor. It is chambered by the FiveSeven(Pistol) and the P90(Sporta Kinda Machine Pistol Thingy).

I like the Glock. Easy to maintain, lightweight, flawless and dependable. I had the model 17, 19 and will consider getting another .45 version in the future.

Something like a Smith & Wesson Model 10 (AKA S&W Military & Police, or, for WWII produced variants, S&W “Victory” Model) revolver would be an excellent cheap gun, too. They come in either .38 Special or .38 S&W (which is readily available in the US, AFAIK).

I’d be VERY careful about buying an M1911 semi-auto, though- there’s an inordinate number of different makers and models out there, and they’re not all top notch quality.

If you’re going to get an M1911, though, my advice would be to shell out for a new Colt or Springfield one.

Makarovs may be nifty little guns, but I don’t know how common the 9x18 Makarov round is.

7.62x25 Tokarev (as used in the TT-33 and CZ-25 pistols) is plentiful in the US, but only has the stopping power of a .32ACP. The TT-33 also lacks a safety catch, which can cause problems for some people.

I’d also advise that you avoid most of the single-action revolvers for now, since they’re… fiddly. Manually ejecting each spent cartridge by hand, and inserting a new one into each chamber, takes a looooooong time.

The .40S&W is a good calibre, but I don’t know much about the guns that it’s chambered for, so I can’t really offer any advice there…

.40SW is chambered by various models of:

Glock (G22’N’Friends)
Sig Sauer (I think)
Beretta (M96)

I suspect that pretty much anyone who wants access to the LEO market does something in .40SW.

As I suspected

Models include:

Smith & Wesson Model 4006
Glock 22
Walther P99
Beretta Model 96
Sig Sauer P229
Heckler & Koch USP40

As the article notes, pretty much any manufacture that does 9mm Para also does something similar to .40SW.

357 desert eagle

Oh my, I was kinda hoping that this thread not degrade into yet another caliber war. But since it already did, I can participate as well. It’s not likely that horde of flesh-hungry zombies will invade your house. With average human opponent any caliber would do, and any caliber of 9mm or higher would do very effectively. So just choose anything you feel comfortably with. When thinking about self defence, take into consideration that in real life, with all that fear, adrenaline, poor light condition, lack of training and lack of time your chances of hitting opponent at all are low, and hitting effectively with first shot are almost nil. So I would prefer something with good follow up shot capability - and hand cannons are not that good in this category.

I missed the part where you said:

oops… I guess that D/E is outta the question. under $300 huh? go check out your local pawn shop.

I keep a sawed off double barrell shotgun beside my bed. Try that.

Regardless of personal preference, the best semiauto pistol for THE PRICE is a Ruger. No debate. I challenge anyone else to show me a more reliable, more advanced pistol in the high 300 - low 400 dollar range. (NIB)

The only pistols that come close will cost 550 and UP. If price is your limiting agent, go with a Ruger. If you can be more flexible in price, then there are more options. But really, short of a real good deal on a used firearm, your only good option is Ruger.

You also missed my advice NOT to buy a Desert Eagle because they’re expensive and generally not very practical…

And sawed off shotguns, depending on your locality, are usually illegal to own, which makes them a poor recommendation.

You’re absolutely right I didn’t read all the posts. My mistake. If I had I wouldn’t have mentioned the D/E at all. As far as not practical and/or bulky, well that’s another story. I like the Br Hi-power 9mm but there we go again w/ price. I had a 59 smith 9mm that was asweet shot and accurate but the grips were bulky. 1911 colt is okay but I just don’t favor it for some reason. accuracy maybe…
Ruger makes some sweet guns for the money.

You know how it is with friggin guns. Everyone has an opinion and nobody’s right. The owner has to make that decision.

How about a 380 walther?
You see, this can go on forever.

It was more of a comment than an actual recommendation.

As far as I know shotguns with a barrel length of 18" aren’t illegal. I didn’t mean to imply anything less. You can buy a stagecoach gun w/ 18" barrels at gun stores.
Damned hard to miss what you’re aiming at even in the dark. Plus you don’t have to worry about killing somebody in the next room with a high powered round going through the wall.

I see a lot of people suggesting Rugers because they are good guns for the money. I definitely agree, since I own one, but I also want to point out that they can be a little more bulky than pistols by other manufacturers, which doesn’t aid in concealment.

Try them out. Buying a gun is an investment. Make sure that you’re going to be happy with what you’re buying, or you won’t practice with it, and it’ll be useless to you if you ever need it.

Also, AFAIK, the restriction on ‘sawed off’ shotguns involves a barrel length of 18" and an overall length of 28". Larger than that, and you’re legal. Smaller requires the 200$ federal tax stamp and BATFE background check process for every transfer. You’ve gotta possess the stamp to own it.

This is what set in motion the events at Ruby Ridge, when Randy Weaver sold an undercover agent a ‘sawed off’ shotgun smaller than the minimum legally required size.

Short by only 3/8 of an inch too if memory serves. It’s really not worth the potential hassle of mucking about with modified shotguns.

Definitely bulky. They’re built like a tank!

Just because I never get to nitpick on this board: If your shotgun came from the factory with a pistol grip then cutting the barrell below the 18" mark only requires a $5 Transfer fee, not 200.

:rolleyes:

Wrong on both counts. At least you didn’t mention that the sound of a double barrel shotgun action closing would frighten off the bad guy.

hmmm- bullshit. Unless you’re loaded with express rounds or slugs a 2 3/4" 12g. round 00buck, shot one at a time at twenty feet won’t penetrate through a wall with enough force to kill someone on the other side. Provided they’re not pressed against the wall.

and at twenty feet the pattern that my shotgun leaves is roughly 3’ in diameter. If you can’t get any closer than that you better not even think about getting a gun. Both barrels fired simultaneously will take out a half a sheet of plywood.

I’ve shot it enough to know. You don’t want to stand in front of me with whatever you’ve got in your holster.

roll your eyes at me

Heck, I just keep me an unloaded 12 gauge pump next to maw bed, the sound of the action being cycled is enough to… Ouch! Stop! Don’t hit Bobo!

So what is it? Will it not penetrate two 1/2" sheets of drywall or will it take out a half sheet of plywood?