You prefer Scientific American?
I said credible cites.
Allow me to explain what should be bleedingly obvious. If you are making a positive claim, such as “Bruno was an astronomer”, the burden of proof is on you to justify it. Thus far all you’ve given us is a Wikipedia article. You’ve been told repeatedly that Wikipedia has no source for the claim that Bruno was an astronomer. Thus you’ve got absolutely nothing to support your position.
I, on the other hand, have read and referenced a biography of the man by two scholars with strong strong credentials in the history of science, which clearly shows that you are wrong. Asking for a specific quote saying that Bruno wasn’t an astronomer is ridiculous. Obviously when someone is not an astronomer, a biography of them won’t specifically say “_______ was not an astronomer.” Instead the absence of any mention of astronomy in the biography will testify that the person was not an astronomer. For example, no biography of Elvis specifically says “Elvis was not an astronomer”. Instead we know that Elvis was not an astronomer because no biography of him says that he was.
Likewise for you to demand to know what sources Dr. Gosselin and Dr. Lerner used is odd. There is no way to source the absence of a piece of information. Dr. Gosselin and Dr. Lerner have actually read what Bruno wrote, while you obviously haven’t, so they know what sort of work Bruno did.
Again, everything I’ve written here is blindingly obvious. I’m only writing it because you’ve chosen to toss up desperate excuses rather than admitting that you made a mistake.
Exactly,
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass , that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken , but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
If you find any fulfilled prophecy in other texts, you will find inaccuracies also.
Again, please see what he cites.
That is why petrified clams in the closed position were mentioned.
If you can cite fossils near a meteorite impact site, tha would be great, thanks.
It was just an example of an extremely influential scientist who was a creationist (also a Christian).
Here are some more:
Francis Bacon (1561–1626) Scientific method.
Galileo Galilei (1564–1642) (WOH) Physics, Astronomy (see also The Galileo affair: history or heroic hagiography?)
Johann Kepler (1571–1630) (WOH) Scientific astronomy
Athanasius Kircher (1601–1680) Inventor
John Wilkins (1614–1672)
Walter Charleton (1619–1707) President of the Royal College of Physicians
Blaise Pascal (biography page) and article from Creation magazine (1623–1662) Hydrostatics; Barometer
Sir William Petty (1623–1687) Statistics; Scientific economics
Robert Boyle (1627–1691) (WOH) Chemistry; Gas dynamics
John Ray (1627–1705) Natural history
Isaac Barrow (1630–1677) Professor of Mathematics
Nicolas Steno (1631–1686) Stratigraphy
Thomas Burnet (1635–1715) Geology
Increase Mather (1639–1723) Astronomy
Nehemiah Grew (1641–1712) Medical Doctor, Botany
The Age of Newton
Isaac Newton (1642–1727) (WOH) Dynamics; Calculus; Gravitation law; Reflecting telescope; Spectrum of light (wrote more about the Bible than science, and emphatically affirmed a Creator. Some have accused him of Arianism, but it’s likely he held to a heterodox form of the Trinity—See Pfizenmaier, T.C., Was Isaac Newton an Arian? Journal of the History of Ideas 68(1):57–80, 1997)
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646–1716) Mathematician
John Flamsteed (1646–1719) Greenwich Observatory Founder; Astronomy
William Derham (1657–1735) Ecology
Cotton Mather (1662–1727) Physician
John Harris (1666–1719) Mathematician
John Woodward (1665–1728) Paleontology
William Whiston (1667–1752) Physics, Geology
John Hutchinson (1674–1737) Paleontology
Johathan Edwards (1703–1758) Physics, Meteorology
Carolus Linneaus (1707–1778) Taxonomy; Biological classification system
Jean Deluc (1727–1817) Geology
Richard Kirwan (1733–1812) Mineralogy
William Herschel (1738–1822) Galactic astronomy; Uranus (probably believed in an old-earth)
James Parkinson (1755–1824) Physician (old-earth compromiser*)
John Dalton (1766–1844) Atomic theory; Gas law
John Kidd, M.D. (1775–1851) Chemical synthetics (old-earth compromiser*)
Just Before Darwin
The 19th Century Scriptural Geologists, by Dr. Terry Mortenson
Timothy Dwight (1752–1817) Educator
William Kirby (1759–1850) Entomologist
Jedidiah Morse (1761–1826) Geographer
Benjamin Barton (1766–1815) Botanist; Zoologist
John Dalton (1766–1844) Father of the Modern Atomic Theory; Chemistry
Georges Cuvier (1769–1832) Comparative anatomy, paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
Samuel Miller (1770–1840) Clergy
Charles Bell (1774–1842) Anatomist
John Kidd (1775–1851) Chemistry
Humphrey Davy (1778–1829) Thermokinetics; Safety lamp
Benjamin Silliman (1779–1864) Mineralogist (old-earth compromiser*)
Peter Mark Roget (1779–1869) Physician; Physiologist
Thomas Chalmers (1780–1847) Professor (old-earth compromiser*)
David Brewster (1781–1868) Optical mineralogy, Kaleidoscope (probably believed in an old-earth)
William Buckland (1784–1856) Geologist (old-earth compromiser*)
William Prout (1785–1850) Food chemistry (probably believed in an old-earth)
Adam Sedgwick (1785–1873) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Michael Faraday (1791–1867) (WOH) Electro magnetics; Field theory, Generator
Samuel F.B. Morse (1791–1872) Telegraph
John Herschel (1792–1871) Astronomy (old-earth compromiser*)
Edward Hitchcock (1793–1864) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
William Whewell (1794–1866) Anemometer (old-earth compromiser*)
Joseph Henry (1797–1878) Electric motor; Galvanometer
Just After Darwin
Richard Owen (1804–1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
Matthew Maury (1806–1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Louis Agassiz (1807–1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth compromiser, polygenist*)
Henry Rogers (1808–1866) Geology
James Glaisher (1809–1903) Meteorology
Philip H. Gosse (1810–1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810–1895) Archeologist
James Simpson (1811–1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
James Dana (1813–1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817–1901) Agricultural Chemist
James Joule (1818–1889) Thermodynamics
Thomas Anderson (1819–1874) Chemist
Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900) Astronomy
George Stokes (1819–1903) Fluid Mechanics
John William Dawson (1820–1899) Geology (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Rudolph Virchow (1821–1902) Pathology
Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) (WOH) Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization
Henri Fabre (1823–1915) Entomology of living insects
William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*)
William Huggins (1824–1910) Astral spectrometry
Bernhard Riemann (1826–1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
Joseph Lister (1827–1912) Antiseptic surgery
Balfour Stewart (1828–1887) Ionospheric electricity
James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics
P.G. Tait (1831–1901) Vector analysis
John Bell Pettigrew (1834–1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842–1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases
Sir William Abney (1843–1920) Astronomy
Alexander MacAlister (1844–1919) Anatomy
A.H. Sayce (1845–1933) Archeologist
John Ambrose Fleming (1849–1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
That’s vastly better, yes.
Now, you can talk about whether the Black Sea-deluge might be the basis of what evolved to be the story of Noah’s Ark.
Without the stupid hyperbole and insinuations that now there is PROOF that Noah’s ARk is TRUE!!!.
Just like we can find inaccuracies in the text you’re relying on. This is a cop out. If something doesn’t happen you just ‘oh god didnt say it’. But yet it’s still in the bible.
You still haven’t shown how my first example is wrong.
Why is it so hard to just post the ‘proper cite’?
Actually, the link explains this. Maybe you should read it.
A casual search can uncover many such fossils.
If you want, I can post a lot of other scripture regarding endtimes. Thats the point of prophecy, it hasnt happened yet.
- I just saw what you claimed to be a “proper cite”, claiming that all those people were creationists, and my standards are much higher than yours.
- You’ve already been shown cites in previous threads-doing it again would just be a big waste of time.
We’ve been through this. That applies in our current world, not the extreme conditions and lack of life in the early world. We are already constructing viruses out of piece parts. I know viruses aren’t quite living, but it is close. Pasteur knew nothing of DNA, of course.
What law prevents the growth of life from lifeless self-replicating molecules in the extreme conditions of the early earth? Spontaneous generation to Pasteur had a very specific meaning, and falsifying that has nothing to do with early life.
Thanks for the cite, I truly appreciate that. Here is just one point I want to make:
‘THE LIMESTONE IS YOUNG, GEOLOGICALLY SPEAKING
Much of the outcropping limestone in the northern Yucatan is part of the Carrillo Puerto Formation of Miocene-Pliocene age. The Miocene and Pliocene are often considered as having occurred from 23.8 to 1.8 million years ago. Along much of the Yucatan coastline you find Quaternary deposits 1.8 million years old and younger.’
So you see this is not thought of as the global catastrophic event that supposedly wiped out all the dinosaurs.
These ‘piece parts’ must already be some form of nucleic acid. The whole point of abiogenesis is the nucleic acid forming in the first place. If you could cite something please I would appreciate it, thanks.
And here is your unfulfilled prophesy:
“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
“Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ (Matthew 24: 25-34)
“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…“ (Mark 13:26-30)
“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. Then He told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.“ (Luke 21:27-32)
Didn’t happen, did it? They waited…and they died.
No no no, reef.
You view states that the waters rose and fell, leaving behind the clams.
That is a different from the clams dying and* then* having the land rise over a loooooong period of time , until they are high above sea level.
Well at least I’m glad you don’t believe the earth is only some 10.000 years old.
An excellent example of this kind of thinking. When asked about stories on vampires usually defined as immortal undead creatures who need blood to live, you redefine it as anyone drinking blood from someone else, and then claim that they exist.
I can do the same thing to prove a god exists.
Augustus was thought to be a god.
Augustus existed.
Thus, god exists.
Not quite the god you had in mind, but gee, who cares?