His4Ever doesn’t like NDEers either. I think fundamentals will never be able to see the good in any religion but their own.
The best we can do is keep people informed on the different paths religion takes. I respect all religions, but have a hard time when the religion is negative, and the teachings can be harmful to others.
I don’t believe God hates anything, or is capable of hate.
The more we show others respect, understanding and love, the closer we come to the presence of God.
Love
Leroy
Truth is :
EVERYTHING IS PROFITABLE!!! esp. religion! not only is it profitable it controls the sheep who dont (or shouldnt rather) belong to a group of controling, law creating, prophets of our society. Strike fear into their hearts and they will hand you half their paychecks to be saved along with agree to your idealistic lifestyle and comply with your opinionated version of order!!!
Religion is another name for Politics. Plain and simple. Run to me child…cry on my shoulder…I will give you an open ear …and live by my standards even if you dont feel comfortable with them. This is how life is suppose to be if you dont you will be forced eventually. BTW heres a big red letter you can wear on your shirt so “we” can recognize “your kind” on the streets and make sure you suffer. Religon makes me F*cking sick to my stomach!!!
I have my beliefs and my relationship to god is exactly that, my relationship, and that is between me and that entity. Just like i dont need a bank to be between me and my home but they see it fit to make sure a middle man is profeting. If God (whom or whatever that may be) wanted us to follow a guide for life than he would have made this very clear. He wouldnt have sent out about twenty prophets to declare lifes rules! Most prophets are fake and nothing more than control freaks or in it for the money. ANd believe me if you saw the vaticans yearly income it would make your head spin!
we all know our right from wrong and we have feelings , overwhelming feelings that indicate our boundries to both. I think that’s the way “God” intended things. You have to live with yourself on either side!~
Taboo
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[OK please, people, like a bad surgeon, I’m losing my patience]
You are in error, I’m not deliberately speading lies about anything. You assume maliciousness when there is none. As everyone says to me, now I say to you: you aren’t the leading authority on everything, including the RC church inho.
Again, your opinion and your belief. I don’t consider the RC church to be a more complete religion nor do I consider Christianity to be amemic. RC teaches things I don’t agree with and don’t find compatibe with my Bible. So what? We don’t have to agree on everything to get along, do we?
I’m tired of arguing with you, Kirk. As far as I’m concerned the RC church is in doctrinal error. I don’t agree with the doctrine of purgatory for instance. Nor do I accept this “ex cathedra” business that the teachings of the RC church are infallable.
No, the pope is not infallable, my dear Kirk. And just because the RC church comes up with new doctrine to add to God’s word doesn’t make it so. God’s word is complete as it is. Just because any church decides that something is now okay when it wasn’t before, doesn’t in the least change God’s mind about it. Any church can declare something, but unless it lines up with the word of God, it isn’t so.
Of course, we differ as to what the word of God is and how many books are in it, so we’ll just have to agree to disagree for I can’t accept the infallablility of Roman Catholicism or the teaching that it has no doctrinal errors.
Okay, Kirkland, lets have a cite Proving that my and His4Ever’s churches are “worthless death cults”.
You said it, lets see the proof.
Where our church celecrtae death or kill things, or are worthless.
Come on, you can name clal real churches, but woooo if anyone says a word about catholicism.
Assemblies, Non-Denominational churches, etc. are ALL
Christian churches.
Prove they aren’t. Go ahead, I’ll wait, but i won’t hold my breath.
You are a liar.
That is, unless you can prove our churches are worhtless death cults and not christian.
Like i said, go ahead, give us cites.
Thanks and amen, vanilla.
hmm … I thought it was a soft answer that turned away wrath.
His4Ever, given your very limited views of who is Saved, I could make a pretty good case that you’re condemning a great many people to a fate worse than death, including most of my friends and family.
Also, just to try to haul this thread somewhat close to something resembling the OP, I’m genuinely interested in your (and everyone else’s) answers to the questions I raised at 5:41 pm yesterday, board time. To save everyone else the trouble of scrolling up, here’s the list again:[ul][li]When your church celebrates The Lord’s Supper/Eucharist/whatever your church calls it, who hands out the bread and the wine? [/li][li]Is anything said before it’s distributed?[/li][li] If so, by whom? [/li][li]How is the person who does this selected?[/li][li]Does this person preach sermons as well?[/li][li]How you determine who does get to preach sermons?[/li](2 new questions)
[li]Do you believe something special happens during the Eucharist?[/li][li] If so, how would you describe it?[/li][/ul]
I’m very familiar with Episcopalian views on this, and I’m pretty sure about Catholic views on this, but, come to think of it, I’m not at all sure about what even mainline Protestant denominations think of this, let alone “Assemblies, Non-Denominational churches, etc”
Enlighten me folks, please!
CJ
nothing can turn away Kirk’s wrath.
He made a staement without merit, let him prove it.
elders pass out the bread, etc.
They aren’t the pastor, who preaches.
Corinthians is usually read, the verse about communion.
vanilla,
And you couldn’t have asked him to prove it without “You are a liar”?
but it is a lie.
Please. Joseph Campbell was an academic of “comparative mythology”, a field as valid in antropology or archaeology as “holistic healing” is in medicine. If you find a cite by a real archaeologist, who has a specialisation in the religions of Middle East, your argument might sway me.
UnuMondo
Are you going to accept cites like those given by His4Ever as valid? Would it have helped if Kirk put IMHO after his statement like she so ofter does when posting cites filled with lies and half-truths about things she obviously doesn’t understand? At least Kirk, although a bit over-zealous at times, has understanding of what he’s talking about.
If you don’t think there is a wealth of information out there calling Assemblies of God type churches (speaking in tongues, slain in the spirit, laughter movement, etc.) worthless cults full of danger and blasphemy then you haven’t looked very hard. I’ve got books on the evils of the 120 year-old religion you practice that shows it’s one step removed from snake-handling as well. I’ll be more than happy to supply both books to read and cites to check out.
But do you really want a cite-fest pissing contest? What will that accomplish? Especially to those who are extremely closed minded and not willing to accept that anything they believe and practice may be wrong.
Ususally a prayer, blessing the time that the congregation will spend focused of Christs sacrifice for us
Whoever happens to be leading the service. Could be a worship leader, could be the teaching pastor, or anyone really…
The person is selected based on their ability to comfortably lead people in prayer, and also their personal relationship with Christ… we don’t usually have non-christians lead the prayer 
They might, they might not, there is no set rule…
The teaching pastor at my church is a person who is part of our community of Christians, who has the gift of being able to teach people well. Others are gifted in other ways. This person is no more important to the body than anyone else.
Hmmm, “special”. Well, the idea is that we partake of bread and wine (or grape juice, depends on the church) and while doing so reflect on Christs sacrifice for us. Personally I prefer to pray, and thank Christ for his sacrifice during the Lords supper.
Ok, I appear to have answered this one… (see above)
Çyrin
We take the Lord’s supper (communion) every week.
We usually have a prayer ahead of time and each person takes it as it’s passed. You can partake immediately or hold to take when ready.
The elders usually pass communion. They take turns
The elders don’t usually preach but am sure they would if necessary.
The senior pastor usually preaches the sermons. If he has to be elsewhere, then an associate minister will preach.
As far as the wafer and grape juice turning into the actual body and blood of Jesus, no we don’t believe this. We take it in remembrance of Him and think on what He’s done for us in dying for our sins. I think that’s pretty special.
Forgive my ignorance but how is comparative mythology not a valid field in anthropology or archaeology?
Just after His4Ever proves her BS claims about the Catholic Church.
I will say that just about every sermon I’ve ever heard at a Baptist non-church has been about death, or namely, where you will be going after death. That’s not Christianity. Christianity is not about escaping Hell. It’s about how you live in this life, not scaring people into joining with threats regarding their zip code in the next one.
Then why do your doctrines and beliefs look nothing like the historical Chrsitian religions’? A Christian from the Early Church age, transported to America, would not recognize your church as a Christian institution. He would recognize the practices and beleifs of the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
Since your pseudo-church doesn’t fit the historical doctrinal profile of Christianity, why should I consider it Christian? Just because you say it is?
Kirk
Once, non-malicious. Twice, maybe thikcheaded. But you’ve made a career on this board of publishing BS about Catholicism, even after Catholics have explained that the sites that you keep pushing are not an accurate representation of what Catholicism believes!
Why do you do that?
You don’t get to have an “opinion” on the fact that I know a hell of a lot more about Catholicism than you do. I do. Now tell me, why should I believe your bigot-site? Why should I believe it when the way the author presents the teachings of Catholicism is absolutely wrong?
Kirk