CIA Shananigans or Coincidence?

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I picked this up off another forum, and can not make up my mind about it. I am sure every who surfs the net has heard about the infamous “Clinton Death List,” but who really believes it?

If we really did believe it, would he still be the president? Even with the urban legend status of the “Death List,” this post made me pause for a second.
So I brought it to the one place where I know it will get ripped to shreds if it deserves it.

In addition to these three guys, remember that Bush Sr. is an ex-CIA Director.

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And here is the link to Drudge where he goes into also…
www.drudgereport.com

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I never heard of any “Clinton Death List”. I hadn’t heard about any of this. Who are the former cia directors who died and how? I think Deutch was just bringing some work home on his laptop and was careless. I checked the links you referred to and didn’t find much more than you already posted about the CIA topics. However, in your OP link: [ubl]http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a389664d93695.htm[/ubl] I found other interesting questions:
-A White House intern was murdered “execution style”?
-A member of the Commerce Department was found dead in her office?

Who are these people and what happened there? More info or web references on these cases, please.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a389664d93695.htm

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Hey Bill,

Did you realize that the link was already posted up there?

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The debunking at the Urban Legends Reference Page.

Never attribute to an -ism anything more easily explained by common, human stupidity.

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Hansel,

I think the Clinton Death Liost is like the Kennedy Death Wish.

When you have a public life you meet a lot people. A LOT of people.

I was being specific on the CIA Directors here, nothing else.

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Yes, I would like to see more info on the former CIA directors deaths, too.

Regarding the rest of the deaths surrounding Clinton, I checked the snopes site ( http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/clinton.htm ).
It answers the questions BC asked in the posting above: Barbara Wise is the member of the Commerce Department who was found dead in her office on 29 November 1996. Her death was attributed to natural causes. The former white-house intern who was killed was Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, on 6 July 1997.

I agree with Snopes that the death list makes some loose connections and doesn’t have all it’s facts straight. However, if you weed out the inaccuracies in the death list and look at the facts, there still are a lot of eerie deaths of people who have some connection to Clinton. Here are the deaths I am talking about:

Plane Crash: Ron Brown and Charles Meissner, Victor Raiser and his son, Hershell Friday, Dr. Rogers, Dr. Heard.
Suicide: Vince Foster, Ed Wiley, John Wilson, Kathy Ferguson, Bill Shelton.
Murder: Mary Caitrin Mahoney, Jerry Parks.
Car Crash: Paula Grober died in a crach with no witnesses.

Also, it lists some cases still under investigation, and 12 former Clinton bodyguards who have died. Yes, Clinton is famous and knows a lot of people, but this still seems like a high number of deaths. Personally, I don’t know anyone who died of suicide or a plane crash.

I discovered several internet sites that discuss or question the murder of Mary Caitrin Mahoney. Here are some of them:

http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/clinton.htm Snopes: Former white-house intern Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, manager of a Georgetown Starbucks, was killed along with two co-workers on 6 July 1997 during what police continue to investigate as a robbery of the shop. In March 1999 Carl Derek Havord Cooper (29) of Washington was arrested and charged with these murders.

http://www.village2000.com/freesusan/messages/5307.html
July 7, 1997: The Starbucks Massacre. Former White House intern Mary “Caity”
Mahoney and two co-workers are killed execution style at the Starbucks Coffeeshop in Georgetown. Both Monica Lewinsky and George Stephanopolous are regulars there. When this event occurred, only the White House was aware it had an “intern problem.”

July 28, 1997: Drudge reports that Kathleen Willey is the woman Bill Clinton
sexually harrassed inside the White House. Speculation about a Starbucks connection subsides on the Internet.

Dec. 6, 1997: Nearly 5 months to the day after the still unsolved Starbucks
Massacre, Eric Butera, an informant working with DC Police on the Starbucks
case, is beaten to death while working at their behest on an unrelated drug case.

http://members.tripod.com/~cbn2/d3.html
http://home.HiWAAY.net/~craigg/g4c/caity-News.htm

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William Colby is an ex-cia director who died in a boating accident in April 1996. It was suspicious and some people suspect foul play:

http://cgi.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/news/9604/29/colby.missing/

I checked a list of cia directors and did not see any other former directors who even died, much less in accidents, during Clinton’s terms:

http://www.odci.gov/cia/di/dddcia/contents.html
http://intellit.muskingum.edu/intellsite/ciadcis_folder/ciadcischronology.html