I wonder what the response would be to a poll addressed to cis men, asking if they would mind if a trans woman used the men’s room. If the trans woman presents as a woman, I would think that the men in the men’s bathroom would be uncomfortable.
In any case, the unfairness of expecting someone who identifies as a woman and presents as one to walk into a men’s bathroom – well, it just floors me.
Incredible poll. Talk about bias? Why don’t you open it everyone?
In my younger days I had no porblem going to nudists beaches & realized the novelty of seeing other people naked runs out rather quickly – unless you get to see a Sharon Stone or two of that time. But in a man’s locker room? Sorry, dicks only…and play on the word as you wish; no pun intented. It’d be very weird to have someone with a pussy walking around a bunch of “us.”
Again, I am hardly modest, but quite logical.
Cis men, cis women, who cares? I agree with you. WTF cares what you “identify” with as long as you have the wrong equipment? It opens up a whole new world of lies and perversions.
Lady in locker-room: “Erm…I think you are in the wrong bathroom”
Me: “No, of course not. I feel like a woman…right now”
Wait a minute – maybe I am misunderstanding your post, or maybe my post was really unclear, but I don’t think we agree at all. Or are you being sarcastic??
Wouldn’t care, probably wouldn’t even notice.
It sounds very sarcastic to me.
I don’t mind at all. As others have said, we have stalls, who cares? Some women hover/ stand/ face the wrong way as a means avoid touching seats, some men sit. So, feet or direction are irrelevant, too.
Mostly though, I don’t get the big deal either way. The other day, I stopped to pee on a road trip, but the ladies room was closed for cleaning. So, I knocked on the mens room door, opened it an inch and shouted in to make sure nobody was in there/ waging their dicks around, then I popped in and peed in the stall. Had a man walked in to the other stall, I wouldn’t have cared. Now, had he been at the urinal, HE may have cared, but that’s a whole different issue.
Because this is the question that came up in the aforementioned debate. If you want to open another poll, feel free to do so, but I disagree strenuously that this poll is biased. It’s limited, by intent, but by no means biased.
…ok?
That’s an… interesting viewpoint, but it isn’t within the scope of this thread. I think it’s unfortunate that you dismiss trans* people so quickly though.
I disagree.
I wouldn’t care if some guy with a huge beard dressed in a tasteful little frock and pumps wanted to use the ladies room. Give me my handicapped stall and let me pee thanks.
Does this ever actually happen in real life? Because I don’t think it does, and I think it’s fucked up to deny people the right to feel safe and comfortable in the bathroom (and I’m talking about trans* people here) just because of made up silliness.
This poll is an attempt to discover if cis women have a problem with trans women using the ladies room. A lot of men seem to believe they do, including you, but the women I speak to are fine with it. A lot of men also believe if trans women can use the women’s bathroom, many men will lie and say they are trans just to sneak a peek. As far as I can tell, though, that’s BS, and (again) I think it’s fucked up to deny someone a place to use the bathroom based on this crap.
eta: and so far the poll agrees.
OK…go for it. Let me know how it works out for you.
Here are the reasons I’m not concerned: 1) Because a women’s bathroom isn’t really any better of a place to rape someone than an out of the way broom closet and 2) because asshole troglodytes who are uber-concerned with literally keeping women in their place are also constrained by their own gender roles. I don’t care if a man like you uses the women’s restroom, but I know he won’t, barring some unusual circumstances like plumbing disasters, and with lots of bellowed warnings about how he’s TOTALLY NOT GAY!!! and WOMEN BE WARNED, THAR’S A MAN COMING IN!!!
I highly, highly, highly doubt that anyone other than an extremely drunk transwoman, or else a crossdresser, would ever think of peeing standing up in a women’s bathroom. I’m sure there’s someone who does, but not only is it so gauche as to be unthinkable, transwomen simply don’t do that. I saw a report once of a drunk CD who did, with the door open…OMG, there’s no cure for stupid.
Presenting female and walking into a men’s room? IME the best possible outcome is you get teased. I personally have met transwomen who were forced to use the men’s room while presenting female, who were beaten, kicked, punched, dragged out by force, and in one terrible instance, raped by three men.
Some people just don’t get it. To sit there all dinner in a restaurant, crossing your legs tightly, hoping you don’t have an accident, terrified and thinking “do I risk the ladies room? Do I pass enough? What if someone calls the manager? What if they call the cops? OMG what if I go in the men’s room? What will they say to me? What if I get hit again? What if this time they don’t stop hitting me?”
To sit until your bladder is bursting, praying for the dinner to end so you dash out and find someplace with a unisex bathroom, or make it home. It’s absolute fucking torture.
This has happened to me. One thing to keep in mind is that I work in a building that also houses an office that provides services to trans people, so I have no doubt that I share a bathroom with trans women with greater frequency than is average.
ANYWAY, one woman who had just begun her transition, and no SRS surgery, and had a very typically male body type. Over 6 feet tall, broad shoulders, tiny hips. When we would cross paths in the women’s restroom, I found myself reacting unconsciously … for a second, I would simply register “a man” and have a moment of confusion – had I gone in the mens’ room by accident? I know that I was visibly startled, I know it must have been obvious to this person. I was doing a double take. I didn’t like this behavior in myself and tried to work on it, but it also shows how ingrained it is to use the “socially correct” restroom.
There have been a small number of other situations similar to this that I have experienced.
On the other hand, this also shows that in a situation where you have a public restroom used by more trans people than in the general population – the times that I could tell stand out as unique experiences … I’m sure the majority of times I’ve shared a bathroom with a trans woman made no impression at all.
I wouldn’t call this creepy so much as annoying. One boy got a quick lesson on just what, exactly, tampons are for when he decided to crawl under the space between the door and the floor. I wasn’t doing it intentionally, but you know, I just wasn’t expecting a grade-school boy to slither into my stall.
Cripes. I’m sorry to say that I would expect all this behavior. I’d HOPE that it wouldn’t happen, but I can imagine it happening all too easily.
Why do we put each other through this kind of shit?
It is absolute fucking torture for anyone to be unable to use the restroom because members of the opposite gender infringe on their sense of safety. If a trans women is truly a woman’s spirit in a man’s body, she will live as a woman, not switch over to live as a man when it’s convenient.
I’m a cis woman, and I don’t mind.
Don’t we just call them “women” why the need to 'cis"?
And, being a dude, I didn’t answer the poll, but I am fine with whatever gender using the men’s room, maybe it’s about time for more uni-sex bathrooms.
My only complaint is when men bring their little girls in, I am using the urinal, and they give me the stink-eye as if how dare I ‘expose” myself to their little girl. Dude, I was here first. I am not waggling it, about just doing my business.
What the FUCK are you even talking about? I’m talking about transwomen living as women but afraid to use the bathroom due to abuse. The linked article above was a story of a transwoman beaten while living as a woman.
Seriously, WTF are you on about now?
What? The only one talking about “switch…when it’s convenient” is the dude in Post 23.