Exactly how was Nat Turner committing treason? The man was not a citizen of the United States.
Well, if you insist on quibbling, he was a resident.
A link to the Staff Report is appreciated. What did the U.S. Marines do during the Civil War?
I think John’s excellent report talked about John Brown and Nat Turner in the same sentence. So, when he said
He probably was saying that it was treason in Brown’s case, and killing slaves and surpressing armed revolts in Turner’s case.
Sheesh! You would think I could preview better than that.
I think John meant that it was “treason” in Brown’s case, and suppressing armed revolt in the case of Turner. Forget the “killing slaves” thingy.
Now John, why would you go and ruin a great piece of reporting with a bad mistake? It is simply, the Medal of Honor. It is given out by congress, but “Congressional” is not part of the title.
Just trying to put a stop to the atrocities that are committed against the English language.
flashwheat. I think you’ll have about as much success as I have in trying to persuade Americans that we don’t use pennies but rather cents.
John is just doing what has been done for over 100 years, and will be done after you and I have departed. The cites in popular literature saying “Congressional Medal of Honor” are numerous. What’s the public to do?? 14,000 people are registered here, perhaps 200 or so will view you post, ultimately.
Readers Digest has HOW MANY readers? :eek:
samclem: Oops! You’re right about the wording, of course; that’ll teach me to post before my first cup of coffee!
pardon my ignorance, but who was Nat Turner?
jazzmark- samclem is correct, that was what I meant by that phrase (and thanks, samclem!).
flashwheat- my apologies; but in every modern reference material I had seen, the current incarnation was referred to as the Congressional Medal of Honor. I’ll have to go back and check my books to see whether the error was the writers’ or mine in interpretation. Certainly, I know the medal given during the Civil War was referred to (and I refer to it as such) as the Medal of Honor; it was my belief that it was renamed the Congressional Medal of Honor when the armed forces created most of the current medals (I believe during WW1). But again, I could be mistaken, and I’ll double-check.
Mostly because the various people who write or report about the Medal of Honor are either lazy, or… lazy. It’s the Medal of Honor. “Congressional” appears nowhere in the citation, nor in the military instructions describing how it may be merited, investigated, awarded, and worn.
Links:
One
Two (Please not the disclaimer on the link on the Congressional Medal of Honor Society link)
Three
Four
Five
and lastly (which should put the issue to rest…)
Sorry, I’m a little bit passionate about this subject. These men (and woman) gave much to our country. Most gave the last full measure, and it’s fitting that we give them at least the courtesy of naming their award correctly.
Sorry, but it’s not as convincing as you think. From the last site:
So it is established by Congress, and awarded in the name of Congress. Sounds like it’s Congressional to me.
<< Sounds like it’s Congressional to me. >>
I dunno, Irishman, it sounds pretty [cough] in-congruous to me.
Go back and read the name again.
That’s the name of the award, as assigned by Congress. Period.
Okay, but if I want to refer to the name of a car, I can call it a Firebird, which is the model name, or I can call it a Pontiac Firebird, which is both the model and make (manufacturer). Most people will know what I mean if I use either.
Similarly, the award is named Medal of Honor. It is awarded by Congress. Ergo, someone could casually say “I got the Medal Of Honor from Congress.” Or they could rephrase and say “I got the Congressional Medal of Honor,” as opposed to, say, the Hootertown Professional Dog Catcher’s Association Medal of Honor.
I got the “Man of the Year Award” is pretty meaningless until I tell you whether it was donating to a national charity, participating in a local company softball league, or Nobel Prize Committee’s People’s Choice Award. So someone could easily just be ensuring their audience knows it’s the one Congress awards to military personnel, and not the one given out at the local chess club for having three straight victories in three tournaments.