and exactly the opposite of mine.
Ditto. I’d prefer obama, but if he loses the primaries, I will vote Clinton. To do anything else at this point, would be to vote for more of what we’ve already seen. Besides, even though I like McCain, his apparent acceptance of support from Rev “End Times” Hagee is a prety big WTF for me.
Yup.
It’s okay, all of her supporters will be dead by 2012, so we she won’t have a shot at the nomination.
Why? If you really like Senator Obama, I presume it is because you agree with his stance on issues like health care, and foreign policy, and that you like the sort of people with whom he would surround himself if made President.
John McCain’s policies on those issues are nothing like Senator Obama’s, and the people John McCain would have as advisors are nothing like the people Senator Obama would have as advisors. Senator Clinton’s policy stances are much closer to Senator Obama’s (so much so that trying to really split the two apart is very difficult), and the people with whom Sen. Clinton would surround herself are probably fairly similar in outlook and approach to those you would see around Sen. Obama.
So, your statement appears to be a case of cutting off your nose, simply to spite your face. 
Or, in another way of putting it: If *I * can’t win, I’m damn certain not gonna let YOU win.
I’m an Obama supporter who would probably vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket, but honestly I don’t think it would win. I guess a lot of this depends on McCain’s VP, but if Clinton were at the top of the ticket I feel that she would drive away a lot of swing voters that Obama/??? might have gotten. This “dream ticket” would have all of the Clinton negatives that would give Democrats a tough time in November, and none of the Obama positives since he’d most likely be tucked back into the VP spot, where his voice won’t be nearly as impacting.
One more Obama supporter here that won’t vote for Hillary under any circumstances. If Hillary gets the nomination, I vote McCain.
Let me ask you Obama do or die/Millions for Obama but not one vote for Hillary! folks a question. If Obama does win and takes Hillary as VP will you still vote for Obama? This is (to my mind) a very real possibility…if Obama wins I think there is a good chance he will pick Hillary to run with him (and vice versa). What will you do then?
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You seriously believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton are on the same level as Mugabe? I don’t understand that at all.
I’m for Obama because he represets the type of change I’d like to see. I will vote for Hillary if she gets the nod because she is fairly close on issues to Obama, and in turn, myself. But while I won’t have to hold my nose, I’m not going to go to the polls whistling “Happy Days Are Here Again” quite so [del]gaily[/del] very masculinely happily.
I do not understand the hatred for Hillary. Is it an anti woman thing? She has not done any grievous wrong. I do not like her war positions or her pro international capitalism stances . But I find her vastly better than a repub that will go for 100m years of war. As a pacifistic atheist ,I find war repugnant and it drives my vote a lot.
If Obama gets the nomination, the only way he loses my vote is if he puts Hillary on the ticket. If Hillary gets nominated, I’m going for McCain.
I cannot abide that woman. Call it whatever you want to, but that’s the crux of it. If their policies aren’t that far apart, then why do people support Hillary? Obviously, because it’s Hillary. It’s a personality thing. I can’t stand her personality, and so there it is. Obama or Bust if the Democrats want my vote.
Add me to this list.
I’m pretty sure I’ll vote for Hillary if Obama loses, but I can’t say I’d do it happily. Especially with him as the VP…it would be too much of a waste of his talents to put him that role, IMO. I don’t forsee Hillary letting him play Cheney to her Bush*, so that would leave him in the sidelines doing nothing for 4-8 years. The only point to adding him to the ticket would be for Hillary to profit from his popularity. What a slap in the face that would be to his supporters.
*yeah, I said “her Bush”. Settle down, Beavis.
I’ll hold my nose and vote against McCain this November if I have to, but certainly not for Hillary’s sake. I have two specific reasons for wanting a Democrat in office in '09- Ruth Bader Ginsburg and John Paul Stevens. It would take a miracle for both of them to be able to serve until 2013 and get replaced with anyone as liberal as themselves. A Democratic Congress will help keep their replacements from being disasters, but to get anything positive done, we’ll need a Democrat to nominate as well.
I hate Hillary because she is the Yoko Ono of politics, all of her claim to fame is due to her husband. She claims experience that she does not have. She only got into the Senate because the minute she expressed interest in the job, all the Dem NY senate hopefuls took that as a demand not to run. She says how race or gender does not enter into the campaign but has used her gender willingly in every time she claims that she is “making history” or repeats the story about some old bat who says she hoped to live long enough to vote for her. She has used her husband to run a dirty campaign puntuated with racial code words. She claims that every minute of her life since law school is presidential-qualifying experience, yet Obama’s resume is much broader. She has been running for this office since 1992 and cast the vote for the Iraq War solely so she could appear to be tough on terror and she refuses to apologize for casting the vote. She refused to release her tax returns until she is nominated and has stonewalled attempts to release document from her years as First Lady. Plus if she wins we’re stuck with the bitch for eight years and will have a less friendly Congress because she has poison coattails.
I originally planned to vote for Edwards and in fact have said on this board that I didn’t believe Clinton or Obama could win the general election. I believed Clinton has too much baggage and race would effectively keep Obama out of the White House. When the California primary rolled around I voted for Obama more as a protest againt Clinton than any real support for Obama. Since that time her campaign tactics has cemented my feelings against her.
Thirded. I might have voted for Clinton if she gets the nomination before she started the bullshit tactics against Obama, but not anymore. I would have been happy to see her pushed out of the race yesterday. I just hope Obama pulls out the stops now and gets the nomination nailed down.
A Presidential candidate is not just policies and positions; a President needs to be a person who will behave with integrity and set a personal example for the nation. Our next President in particular needs to redeem the office of the President from what will almost certainly go down in history as one of the worst Presidencies ever. I look at all three candidates and see policies that I can stomach – McCain will almost certainly have to work with a split or Democratic Congress, so he won’t be able to go to excess as easily as Bush did.
I feel that McCain has slowly earned his “elder statesman” reputation, and that he honestly means to wage a respectful campaign in an attempt to unify the country. I would cringe if all of his policies were implemented but I think he would start the hard work of redeeming the office of President. Because holy crap, boy-howdy, does it need redeeming.
I see Obama as a shining star in the field – young, but inspiring and guided by a moral compass and a sense of unity that I’ve never seen in a politician. My fears over his inexperience are tempered by the certainty that good experienced people would flock to him in the same way that evil experienced people flocked to fill the leadership vacuum in GWB’s cabinet.
I believe Hillary Clinton will do anything to secure the Presidency for herself, and will greatly enjoy her four (eight?!) years of getting to play that part. Bill Clinton’s policies (and his incredible luck being at the helm during the rise of the Internet) did great things for America, but on issues like executive privilege and personal power, he set horrible precedents that have enabled some of Bush’s worst abuses. She is the last person I want to try to redeem the office of President, because she’ll just bring more of the same. She steamrolled a (more qualified) female candidate out of the Senate election in New York and won on name recognition, so I don’t even have a pang about “stopping history”. I fear that she would quickly use signing statements, extraordinary renditions, and executive privilege as means to working “the levers” (as she calls them). I don’t want her hands on the levers, and I’d vote Republican to stop her. I don’t want her in line behind Obama because a simple accident like the Wellstone crash could ruin everything, and I’d never be able to completely believe that it was an accident.
Obama as VP is pointless because Bill will be defacto VP.