At this point, I would happily support a Clinton/Obama ticket. I want the primary season to be over, and their policy differences are not that great. As the older, more seasoned candidate, it makes more since for Hillary to be the top of the ticket, even if she is trailing by delegates. She’d probably be ahead in delegates anyway, if Michigan and Florida had held fair & square primaries.
In fact, right now I think it’s the most feasible way to rally the democrats and beat McCain.
What do Obama backers think? What about Clinton backers
I support Obama and would never in a million years vote for any ticket with Clinton on it. I put both Clintons (and Bush/McCain) in the same block with Robert Mugabe and Vladimir Putin… they are all corrupt power-warmongers.
I’m an Obama supporter and will happily vote for Clinton if she secures the nomination fairly, even if that requires super-delegates. If Obama is on the ticket as veep more the better.
However, if she secures the nomination by lawsuit (say, getting MI and FL seated or overturning the TX caucuses), then all bets are off, and I cannot guarantee my support.
Clinton supporters LOVE the idea, naturally, since it means they get everything they want.
Obama supporters who MIGHT have been open to the idea a few months back wouldn’t go for it now. Bill and Hillary have alienated Obama and his supporters with their tactics.
America’s “First Black President” isn’t so popular with black Americans any more, and neither is his wife.
That doesn’t mean she can’t or won’t win, of course. Whichever Democrat gets the nomination will be a heavy favorite to win in November. But once Bill and Hillary started playing hardball with Obama, they threw away any chance of getting him on the ticket as #2.
If Clinton is the nominee, McCain wins. Simple as that. I actually think that McCain won the presidency last night… the Democrats will destroy themselves again.
You are perhaps correct about the final outcome, but I’m not sure what the Democrats did last night to “destroy themselves”.
The delegate margin changed by at most 10 delegates. The two candidates will continue to get 90% of the press coverage, with McCain an afterthought. Much of this coverage will be them attacking John McCain.
Now, if it goes to the convention an open question, then I agree that could be destructive, but that is no more likely today than it was yesterday, IMO.
Good grief. Look, Hillary is playing hard ball no worse then her hubby did with Gore in THEIR primary…and they were able to hook up. There was a lot of heat exchanged between Kerry and Edwards and THEY managed to hook up as well. Is Obama made of glass or something? This is American politics here…it gets rough but once there is a clear nominee things get nice again…until the REAL contest starts and the REAL fur starts flying.
You Dem’s are something else. Sheesh. You think that only the 'Pubs get nasty (despite plenty of evidence to the contrary) and some of you want to wrap Obama in swaddling. He knows the score…a lot better than most of you guys seem to. Personally I think that Obama and Hillary have kept things pretty tame as far as these things normally go…it’s the Obama (and Hillary) fan clubs that seem to have their noses bent all out of shape.
As for this defeatist theme…madre de dios! Get a grip. I know a lot of you wanted Hillary to roll over and give up but that wasn’t going to happen. She is going to fight to the end on this…and she was and is a viable candidate. She isn’t going to give up when she has a shot…she wouldn’t be a real contender if she WAS ready to throw in the towel when she is so close in the race. I saw Obama’s speech last night…and it was VERY classy and showed that at least HE knows the score and is at least vaguely in touch with reality. It was a GREAT speech, congratulating Hillary on her victories but saying that IT AIN’T OVER!
Get a grip guys. It’s going to come down to your convention…as pretty much everyone figured it would since neither top contender has enough deligates to win outright. Kick back, take a deep breath and strap on your seat belts. It should be a GREAT ride no matter what happens. Because guess what? McCain is going to stroll in to the 'Pubs convention to assorted yawns while the Dem’s have all eyes focused on them (which means all EARS are focused to…which translates into your message getting out). This convention is going to be one of the most watched, most followed event in US history…literally the eyes of the country (and to some extent the world) are going to be focused on this thing. There is going to be anticipation and drama galore!
Far from McCain winning this thing last night I think this was the best thing that could happen to the Democrats.
Maybe we’re just getting tired of all the mud being flung in campaigning. I know that I’ve gotten tired of elections being won by the guy who can lie the most about his/her opponent.
I was initially against Hillary (mostly due to her stance on video games, as it just felt like political pandering). However, her actions in the past few weeks have really cemented her as the “do not want” candidate, in my mind.
Gore didn’t run in 1992. Gore and Dukakis had some battles in 1988 including Gore bringing up the prision furloughs which Bush Sr. used later in the Willie Horton smear.
I doubt politics in the US will ever change. They have been pretty nasty right from the get go (look back over some of the stuff done during elections in the past…makes this stuff look tame by comparison). It is the way it is.
As for the last part…well, there is a distinct chance Hillary IS going to win. I’d say it’s maybe 55/45 Obama right now…but that could swing before the convention. If you don’t want McCain as president you may have to hold your nose and go with Hillary if she is the nominee.
:smack: Sorry about that. Chalk that up to old age I guess. Point is that there have been several cases in the past where heated exchanges between people vying for their parties nomination were set aside once one of them got the nod. Another example would be Reagan/Bush I…I seem to recall some heat between them but after Reagan got the nod they were able to team up.
I’d be fine with a Clinton presidency. I’d be fine with an Obama presidency. I want Obama to be the nominee for one simple reason: I think he has a better chance of beating McCain.
I will not have anything to do with a ticket with Hillary at the top. If she ran against Charles Manson, I cast a proud vote for Ralph Nader. If she is the nominee, then I hope McCain wins and we can get it right in 2012.
