Clinton Slips Leash; Jennings Critical

[FinnAgain]

@Liberal

But not on this one. American citizens deserve to have the rights that God or nature gave them secured by their government, no matter where they go.

That sounds suspiciously like extraterritoriality.
By what mechanism do you propose that we secure these rights even while Americans are in other places?

[Diogenes_the_Cynic]

@Liberal

I agree with you on this one.
But not on this one. American citizens deserve to have the rights that God or nature gave them secured by their government, no matter where they go.

I completely disagree with that. The US has no right to enforce any protections outside its own jurisdiction. US citizens know when they leave that they aren’t in Kansas anymore.

[Liberal]

@FinnAgain

That sounds suspiciously like extraterritoriality.
By what mechanism do you propose that we secure these rights even while Americans are in other places?

By the mechanism of force.

[FinnAgain]

@Liberal

By the mechanism of force.

Wow.
Um, guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that 'un.

[Liberal]

@Diogenes the Cynic

I completely disagree with that. The US has no right to enforce any protections outside its own jurisdiction. US citizens know when they leave that they aren’t in Kansas anymore.

I thought you didn’t believe in the supernatural, and yet you assign to reified borders a mystical significance. We simply view government fundamentally differently — you seem to view it protecting borders, and I view it protecting people.

[milroyj]

@FinnAgain

Play straight now. I’ve done you that courtesy, you could do the same.credibility As in , the next time we cry WMD, er, wolf, nobody will believe us. Ditto if we ever want to ‘administrate’ a ‘regime change’ and ‘win the peace.’
And, by the way, our warlike tendencies, or the fact that we’ll “fuck you harder.”, is kinda what led our closet ally to be unsure if Bush or Sadaam was a greater threat to global peace

this is not a totally isolated incident

don’t look very hard. Eh?

In what Universe exactly ?

They will make a desert and call it progress

You can’t disregard reality by calling it a joke.
Do you honestly need me to give you cites on how the FCC has been fining people left and right?

Sure thing no problem.
A total of 47% of Americans rate the national economy as very good or good and 52% rate it as bad, very bad, or terrible.

I don’t have any beef with you, FinnAgain, but you are citing The Wisdom Fund, Physicians for Social Responsibility, commondreams.org, and overpopulation.org. Just a wee bit of bias can be found there, don’t you think? In a board dedicated to fighting ignorance, I don’t see the utility in that approach. YM probably does V.

[FinnAgain]

@milroyj

I don’t have any beef with you, FinnAgain, but you are citing The Wisdom Fund, Physicians for Social Responsibility, commondreams.org, and overpopulation.org. Just a wee bit of bias can be found there, don’t you think? In a board dedicated to fighting ignorance, I don’t see the utility in that approach. YM probably does V.

Do you have a problem with the numbers and facts presented, or the location in cyberspace where you found them?
In other words, will you debate the information or try to dodge it by attacking the cite?

[FinnAgain]

And while I’m at it, how about you admit that you were wrong about the Tabliban?

[FinnAgain]

D’oh!
Taliban, grrrr.
I’m off for dinner, I await a response.
And I’d like one dealing with the facts presented on all the points your raised, thank you.

[Reeder]

He can’t refute the data. So he refutes the cites.

Typical milwhatever.

Told ya.

[FinnAgain]

@Reeder

He can’t refute the data. So he refutes the cites.
Typical milwhatever.
Told ya.

You did indeed.
I’m still hoping that he realizes he’s commited a fallacy in reasoning and will discuss the figures given.
Even if he does not, many of my cites were not from any on his ‘verboten’ list, especially those proving that his claim about the Taliban is spurious.
I await confirmation/debate.

[Reeder]

@FinnAgain

You did indeed.
I’m still hoping that he realizes he’s commited a fallacy in reasoning and will discuss the figures given.
Even if he does not, many of my cites were not from any on his ‘verboten’ list, especially those proving that his claim about the Taliban is spurious.
I await confirmation/debate.

Hunker down.

It’s gonna be a long wait.

[FinnAgain]

@Reeder

Hunker down.
It’s gonna be a long wait.

So you refuse to debate facts and figures if they happen to be found on a certian website?
And you will ignore all the other facts and figures that were found on ‘acceptable’ websites because there were other ‘unnaceptable’ websites in my post?

Just checking.

[FinnAgain]

Shit!
I misread who was posting, my apologies.
Damn…
I still await a response.

[FinnAgain]

Gods, that really will teach me to have multiple windows open on my browser… some strange case of cognitive, um, slush.

Honestly though mil, even if we toss out all the cites you find objectionable, I still have others in that post, can we at least discuss those?

[milroyj]

@FinnAgain

Honestly though mil, even if we toss out all the cites you find objectionable, I still have others in that post, can we at least discuss those?

We can, and we will, but I am off to dinner myself. See ya later this evening, or possibly tomorrow. Hope you are enjoying the holiday weekend.

[FinnAgain]

@milroyj

We can, and we will, but I am off to dinner myself. See ya later this evening, or possibly tomorrow. Hope you are enjoying the holiday weekend.

Have a good dinner, I, on the other hand, am busily working on two seperate papers dealing with critical literacy and trying to smack them into APA format.

Are you interested in the pedagogical implications of semantically driven linguistic practices? Did not think so.

A good weekend to you as well.

[milroyj]

@FinnAgain

Have a good dinner, I, on the other hand, am busily working on two seperate papers dealing with critical literacy and trying to smack them into APA format.

Are you interested in the pedagogical implications of semantically driven linguistic practices? Did not think so.

A good weekend to you as well.

Ok, I’m back, dinner was good, thanks for asking. Your CNN cite about the increase in poverty does NOT support your claim that “the economic status of most Americans is worse than it was four years ago”.

P.S. I am most definitely not interested in the “pedagogical implications of semantically driven linguistic practices” because that could only mean something to Alice in Wonderland, for heaven’s sake. And either you or your parents are paying for this sort of “education”? Good luck with that. Really. :rolleyes:

[FinnAgain]

@milroyj

Ok, I’m back, dinner was good, thanks for asking. Your CNN cite about the increase in poverty does NOT support your claim that “the economic status of most Americans is worse than it was four years ago”.

I can furnish you with cites about the mean household debt if you would prefer, and there were other issues than economics in the debate that you and I were (I think) having.
I would appreciate it if you’d respond to the other points, such as, your claim that we don’t see many taliban anymore.

@milroyj

P.S. I am most definitely not interested in the “pedagogical implications of semantically driven linguistic practices” because that could only mean something to Alice in Wonderland

Quite false.
Words are multivalued, text must often be analyzed to get at the truth value, and to a certain degree the structure of language influences thought.
If necessary I can furnish you with a heap of articles on critical literacy, semantics, linguistcs, and cognitive science/psychology.

@milroyj

for heaven’s sake. And either you or your parents are paying for this sort of “education”? Good luck with that. Really. :rolleyes:

Not only that, but I may very well be teaching your children one of these days.
So I’ll respond to your eye rolling with a Mwahahahaha!

[milroyj]

So in other words, you’re a college student talking out of your ass, just as I thought.