Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread

I just watched a little repeat of Trump on O’Reilly. Pretty funny how frustrated Bill gets sometimes when interviewing him. The look on his face when Trump says he hasn’t been that outspoken was priceless.

Just the fact that a state like Arizona is even in play is enough for me.’

If even Arizona is now a swing state Trump is in very deep shit.

Arizona is white right now. 50.1% Trump, 49.9% Clinton

Normally, that would make Sheriff Joe very happy…

This is so important to remember. The thing to worry over is losing the election. The margin is important because we want there to be a message from it, but let’s not make ourselves sick worrying about whether the margin is 6% or 6.1%, etc.

Donate, vote, and volunteer. Don’t stress the margins. Just donate, vote, and volunteer.

I’m ashamed that the governor of Kansas, Sam Brownback, has reaffirmed his support for Trump.

http://www.gctelegram.com/news/state/brownback-reaffirms-trump-support/article_e0068461-53ac-5e90-837c-627dd150ee28.html

This is a man who probably wants to be President himself. He’s a lot younger than Trump, knows the ropes of politics, and knows how to behave himself in public.

He could actually pick up some of the Trump following by not running for cover, and just maybe could be a contender in the coming years. Maybe even 2020. I don’t think any of the candidates that failed in the GOP primaries this year could seriously have a chance again.

Exactly. It’s just emblematic of Trump’s troubles across the country. It’d be great if Hillary took Arizona, but she doesn’t have to, and never did.

I have already done the first and third (and will again); I will definitely do the second on Nov. 8.

A large segment of this country is getting sicker by the day. This election will be unlike any in American history. I think there’s going to be real violence and uncivil disobedience.

She doesn’t ‘have to’ take Arizona, but in another sense, it would actually be really, really good if she did. We need to make the rigged election result theory invalid. Winning a red state or two might not convince delusional Trumpists, but it might convince some within the republican party at least.

Screw Arizona, fucking Texas is in play. Lose that and you might as well plant daisies.

I’m going to have an extra cocktail and whoop for joy if Texas goes blue this year. That would truly be a Reaganesque landslide. But I really, really doubt it will happen. Maybe in ten-15 years, but I don’t think it is there yet even in this shitshow of an election.

I had a tab open to that mailbox but I hadn’t looked at it all day. Just a few minutes ago I looked and there were two emails, but neither link worked and a refresh of the page once again shows an empty mailbox. Apparently they were deleted between the last time the page refreshed and when I tried to read them. Did you see them? I think one of them had the subject “Re:CV”. I don’t recall the subject of the other.

His strategy on slashing taxes, especially for businesses, has succeeded in completely destroying his state’s economy. He has an outstanding (note the sarcasm) record on which to run.

These two things are mutually contradictory. Being associated with Trump and being a candidate for President are two things which cannot coexist in the same person, especially after four years of demographic shift and time for even more shit to come out about Trump in any or all of the numerous court cases likely headed his way.

The people who are staying in the Trumperbunker are not getting out alive in any large-scale political sense.

If Hillary wins in a landslide, Trump’s supporters will hold that up as proof of just how extensive the conspiracy against them is. If Hillary wins a close election, they will hold that up as proof that Trump should have won and the conspiracy against them made the difference.

Oh man, tonight on CSPAN, they showed one of the 1984 Reagan-Mondale debates. It was so refreshing to see informed, intellectual candidates debating important policies and issues and the absence of petulant bickering and personal insult. Also…thoughtful, intriguing questions by a seemingly non-partisan press. You can’t even get a moment of this in current “debates.”

Right now, depending on the poll, the undeclaring respondents still outnumber Trump’s lead by at least 1.5, in some cases double. I mean, we have a couple weeks for something to go splat, but right now it does not look like an enviable position for him to be in. I can just imagine the apoplexy and CTs that losing Texas would precipitate – if you think the signal/noise is bad now, holy crap what a festival of static that would be.

… and the fact you say this about Ronald Reagan shows how much a “statesman” is merely a politician who’s been dead for a few years.

Maybe it’s a Republican thing. Here’s the GOP #2 dog trying to kiss his own daughter.

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Something interesting that speaks to how, all the noise aside, stable this race has been.

Back in May I posted a thread asking people to bet over/under on Clinton +6 as that was where the polling aggregate was at that time. The group consensus split near 50-50 (54-46 over-under). 538’s PollsOnly now calls it 5.9 and RCP puts it at 5.3 four-way and 6.7 two-way (funny enough averaging 6).

After all the sturm and drang … physical collapse, and Wikileaks, Gropegate and tax avoidance … the aggregates are in the same place they were and running the same poll here now, five months later, a few weeks away from the actual election, would probably give roughly the same results.

Huh.