Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread

What with all the financial shenanigans Trump’s been pulling with this campaign I wonder if he was afraid that he would go to jail if he lost the election so he thought “I’ll just threaten her with it so it’ll look like revenge if I get called on my shit.”

And, of course, he thinks it’s funny. That’s always the dodge, isn’t it? It’s funny. If you don’t like it, it’s because you can’t take a joke, so you’re some insecure asshole.

Of course, that’s also typically their biggest weakness. I would love to be in the room when Trump hears a joke made at his expense.

The polls I’ve seen so far suggest Hillary got anywhere from 57 to 47 percent of viewers to agree that she won the debate. Anywhere from 34 to 42 percent of viewers to say the same for him. If we average it out that’s about 52 to 38 percent in favor of Hillary.

This is purely my own unscientific take but what strikes me about these numbers is the fact that this was probably a stronger debate performance – more along the lines of what I was expecting in the first encounter from Trump. In my view, I thought it was a draw in the sense that Trump, though at times downright desperate and incoherent, succeeded in making Hillary visibly uncomfortable and he (and the moderators) made her squirm a bit in answering some of the questions. I thought Trump looked confident and assertive - maybe a bit over the edge at times but he was generally more in command tonight.

And yet, he still only has maybe 38 percent of the those who actually watched believing that he won. I may be off, but I have felt that this is probably reflecting about the same number of people who are just die-hard, never-say-die Trumpists. And that tells me, his support in the middle has completely and utterly collapsed. Only the hyper-partisans support him now. Now the bad news is, there really are a lot of hyper-partisan, tribal voters out there in 2016. So he’s probably going to get anywhere from 27 to 40 percent of the vote. But I’m guess above 40 percent at this point is almost in wishful thinking territory at this point. It’s more likely that he will continue his downward spiral. It may not be as much as we’d like and we might well end up fretting at just how many of his faithful are still actually coming out to vote for him. But I suspect that his days over 40 percent are probably finished for good.

My point here is, I think Trump is left with his bag of deplorables. He didn’t add anything last night, and he probably didn’t even make a dent in Hillary’s support. Barring just an unprecedented set of circumstances – which cannot be entirely discounted given the bizarre nature of this election – I think Hillary’s got this. But we still gotta get out there and work the vote.

Kind of like this?

On the night of the dinner, Trump took his seat at the center of the ballroom, perfectly situated so that all 2,500 lawmakers, movie stars, journalists, and politicos in attendance could see him….But as soon as the plates were cleared and the program began, it became agonizingly clear that Trump was not royalty in this room: He was the court jester. The president used his speech to pummel Trump with one punchline after another…When host Seth Meyers took the mic, he piled on with his own rat-a-tat of jokes, many of which seemed designed deliberately to inflame Trump’s outer-borough insecurities: “His whole life is models and gold leaf and marble columns, but he still sounds like a know-it-all down at the OTB.”

The longer the night went on, the more conspicuous Trump’s glower became. He didn’t offer a self-deprecating chuckle, or wave warmly at the cameras, or smile with the practiced good humor of the aristocrats and A-listers who know they must never allow themselves to appear threatened by a joke at their expense. Instead, Trump just sat there, stone-faced, stunned, simmering — Carrie at the prom covered in pig’s blood.

Dear Donald Trump: I played in the NFL. Here’s what we really talk about in the locker room.

Chris Kluwe, Seattle Seahawks.

What’s an OTB?

Yes. I love it when conservatives go after their own.

More from the article:

Yep, Fredo’s in charge. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch, and never forget they deserve each other.

This is going to make a great movie when it’s all said and done. I can only hope they take hints from A Streetcar Named Desire, because I can’t imagine a better image of a Trump Deplorable than Stanley Kowalski:

Off-track betting parlor.

Off-Track Betting. Horse races, usually, I think.

That’s the mildest part of what is quite an epic rant against trump.
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That’s an excellent article. Trump once again lives up to the label “short-fingered vulgarian”. The interesting thing that doesn’t seem to be much talked about is that his initial defense of the comments – “it’s just words” – implies that he never did those things. But worse, when Anderson Cooper quite properly pointed out that what he claimed he did was sexual assault and asked him point-blank if had in fact done the things that he bragged about, he twice tried to deflect the question, and eventually said “no, I did not” in a very quick and unconvincing way. The sad thing is that if and when he is exposed for this lie by women who may come forward, it will just be another lie among thousands, and it won’t matter to his base. And of course in the typical classy Trump style, any woman who does this will be accused of being a liar and a skank and the staff will be directed to dig up all possible dirt on her.

I think it’s worth pointing out that the entirety of aurora maire’s quote is from the buzzfeed article and the National Review article itself takes only mild sideswipes at Trump. It’s mainly about how Obama was kind of a dick at the 2011 correspondents dinner though NR has been #NeverTrump for the entire election basically.

Mike Pence thinks Trump’s plan to put Hillary in jail is the best moment from the debate.

Probably because there no other good moments for him.

Yeah, the man only bragged about sexual assault and demonstrated a history of treating women like objects. We can’t expect the right-wing media to go after him too harshly for that, not when there’s an uppity [del]Negro[/del] Liberal off being President in front of TV cameras.

One does have to maintain balance, after all.

How is that a reaponse to my post in any way? National Review has gone after Trump. They did a whole “against Trump” issue. I was just pointing out that article wasn’t really one of them.

Alex Jones is keeping it real:

(source: https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/10/10/trump-ally-alex-jones-i-was-told-people-around-clinton-shes-demon-possessed/213712)

It would be nice if we lived in a world where everybody recognized this as just a sign of mental instability, and not as true testimony of God’s word, which is how a lot of evangelicals will read it, to keep justifying voting for such an immoralist.

I’ve got to say, it was a real dictator-ish thing to say, but I do have to give it credit for being a zinger that will be remembered for a really, really long time.

[Stallone] "I AM the law![/Stallone]

The Alex Jones stuff gets better:

:eek:

That’s from the Onion, I hope