One of my Facebook friends has become virulently Islamophobic recently, and he claims there was a “deafening silence” of Muslim voices condemning the recent Paris attacks. That is, of course, ridiculous, as any quick googling will indicate. But I’m hoping that someone has been collecting and organizing links to Muslims around the world condemning the attacks, so I can provide him with one overwhelming link.
Anyone know of such a page?
thanks!
CAIR Condemns Paris Terror Attacks
Muslims around the world condemn Paris terror attacks
Don’t expect your Islamophobic Facebookfriend to change his mind about this on the basis of mere factual evidence, though.
A good rundown is 46 Examples of Muslim Outrage about Paris Shooting hat Fox News Can’t Seem to Find.
Here’s just the top 20:
Many more on Raw Story.
Expression of outrage are all very well when it comes to feeling self-righteous but don’t of themselves do anything very practical.
Which is of course something that could also be said for solidarity addresses made by you and me. Still there is a difference in whether these expressions of outrage are made or there is a “deafening silence” as some of the already deaf are claiming.
As for practical relevance: If a high ranking Islamic authority figure like the Grand Imam of al-Azhar calls the ISIS terrorists “monsters”, it may not mean much to you, but quite a few Sunni Muslims might be inclined to listen. And everyone who does helps.
What’s that got to do with it? The OP wasn’t asking for examples of practical action; they were asking precisely for “expressions of outrage” of a particular kind, to refute the assertion of an ignorant acquaintance that such expressions of outrage are not being stated.
Do I detect a whiff of moving the goalposts from “why don’t the so-called moderate Muslims condemn these terrorist attacks” to “why don’t the so-called moderate Muslims do more to prevent these terrorist attacks” here?
Politely worded phrases in English are nice.They make good window dressing when issued as a faceless press release to the NY Times.
But for me, the condemnations only count if they are in Arabic, and if they are published widely in the media where other Muslims will read them, and signed by individuals who are held in respect by other Muslims.
And if they are phrased not in vague generalities, but in technical language (such as a fatwa), quoting sharia law and promising punishments for the perpetrators.
For example, how about those 70 virgins waiting for the “martyrs”?—Have any madrassas or serious institutions of Muslim theology tried teaching tens of thousands of students that you only get laid in heaven if you haven’t murdered anybody?
Shiites and Sunites love to attack each other with explosive condemnations , declaring the other side to be infidels, deserving of death, etc. Do they put the same level of energy into condemnations of terrorism?*
Those would be the quotes that offer the OP’s friend what he is looking for…
*and please don’t respond to me with comparisons to western religous feuds. Sure, Baptists and Jehovah’s Witnessess spew fire-and-brimstone against Catholics and Unitarians…but they don’t bomb churches and coordinate organized terrorist attacks on innocent people. (Although they do ring your doorbell at 9:00 A.M on weekends and offer you a pamphlet, so maybe it’s all the same 
) .
Interesting that you mention CAIR as something FoxNews did not know about. AFAICT Fox is fully aware of the group, and has mentioned them, and has even interviewed one of their representatives.
Regards,
Shodan
Its about Fox News and the Paris attack. So, a report dated September 14, 2014 already has some problems. See, its not about whether Fox Gnaws knows CAIR exists, but are they hep to their most recent statements about Paris! Have any more questions, don’t hesitate, we are here to help.
They are clearly aware of Minnesota’s Muslim representative, I saw it - Keith Ellison D-MN)
Oh you’ve got us now! We can never again accuse Fox of being anything but fair and balanced. Darn you! Darn you to heck!
So for one instance Fox was like the serial killer who opened a door for an old lady. You better believe they’re ginning up the anti-Muslim hysteria now, damn good for ratings that is.
All conditions not asked for, and added after the fact. If these conditions had been actually asked for and met, I’m sure you would have tacked on some more so that they wouldn’t have counted, either.
The OP asked only for proof there is no “deafening silence” of Muslims condemning these terrorist attacks, the OP got that proof.
Of course, the final “refutation” of any Muslim’s condemnation will be the tired out accusation of “Muslims are required to lie” BS. How long before that’s actually used seriously on this latest issue?
Did you read the examples cited in post #2? Do you imagine that just because they’re cited in translation in an English-language article, the pronouncements of, e.g., the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University and the Council of Senior Scholars of Saudi Arabia and high officials of Arabic-speaking countries have not been issued in Arabic? If you were given a source to find them in Arabic, would that be any use to you? (And you do realize that the condemnation from the President of Iran is in Persian, not Arabic, right?)
Linguistic issues aside, would you concede that officially lighting the towers in Riyadh in the colors of the French flag as a gesture of solidarity with France is making a statement to local Muslims that can’t be dismissed as a mere “faceless press release” to foreign media?
Sheesh. It constantly amazes me how surprised and distrustful people can be about the unremarkable fact that Muslim nations and institutions officially condemn Islamist terrorism. The vast majority of them don’t like ISIS any more than we do, and with good reason.
Moving, moving the goal posts.
The Francophone media of the francophone muslimsis full of the denunciation, but it is meaningless of course, nothing the muslims do is honest obviously, it is only for show…
And when the theologians send a long letter to the DAESH denouncing them in the theological terms this becomes nothing…
Over a year ago this was done, by the leading scholars, denouncing in the harshest terms the DAESH, even it was later translated into the English… (it was even linked to here, but of course it becomes invisible, not fitting the narrative)
And still the phobics pretend nothing is done.
The idea that there is not denunciation in our languages, the Arabic or the French or whatever is utterly without a foundation and mere excuses and obfuscation.
Whoa…way to go off the deep end there. All he said was that they have used them in the past and thus obviously know about them, nothing more…the rest is your strawman. I don’t know one way or the other whether Shodan thinks Fox is a good source, and I’m betting you don’t either, but regardless it’s not what he said there.
If it hasn’t already, I will paint my butt blue and move to the country,
Let’s all hope it’s happened then…it’s an image that there isn’t enough bleach in the world to burn out of ones brain! :eek:
Entertaining as it might have been to see that, you had a pretty safe bet there.
Muslim groups like those cited in this thread, while expressing regret/outrage over the Paris attacks and/or the Charlie Hebdo murders, typically avoid specifically denouncing the organizations sponsoring terrorism.
For instance, CAIR’s statement does not say anything bad about Islamic State, which fits in with its history.
*"CAIR incites, funds, and does much more vis-à-vis terrorism:
It apologizes for terrorist groups: Challenged repeatedly to denounce Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups, CAIR denounces the acts of violence but not their sponsors. It is connected to Hamas: Hamas, designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. and many other governments, indirectly created CAIR and the two groups remain tight.
Examples: In 1994, CAIR head Nihad Awad publicly declared his support for Hamas; the Holy Land Foundation (HLF), a Hamas front group, contributed $5,000 to CAIR; in turn, CAIR exploited the 9/11 attacks to raise money for HLF; and, this past August, demonstrators at a CAIR-sponsored rally in Florida proclaimed “We are Hamas!”
It settled a lawsuit: CAIR initiated a libel lawsuit in 2004 over five statements by a group called Anti-CAIR. But two years later, CAIR settled the suit with prejudice (meaning that it cannot be reopened), implicitly acknowledging the accuracy of Anti-CAIR’s assertions, which included: “CAIR is a terrorist supporting front organization that is partially funded by terrorists”; “CAIR . . . is supported by terrorist supporting individuals, groups and countries”; “CAIR has proven links to, and was founded by, Islamic terrorists”; and “CAIR actively supports terrorists and terrorist supporting groups and nations.” It includes individuals accused of terrorism: At least seven board members or staff at CAIR have been arrested, denied entry to the U.S., or were indicted on or pled guilty to (or were convicted of) terrorist charges: Siraj Wahhaj, Bassem Khafagi, Randall (“Ismail”) Royer, Ghassan Elashi, Rabih Haddad, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, and Nabil Sadoun.
It is in trouble with the law: Federal prosecutors in 2007 named CAIR (along with two other Islamic organizations) as “unindicted co-conspirators and/or joint venturers” in a criminal conspiracy to support Hamas financially. In 2008, the FBI ended contacts with CAIR because of concern about its continuing terrorist ties."*