College Football Thread - BCS, Bowls, Conference Championship, Coaching Changes

Things are just starting to get interesting. We’ve got the final few games of the season with some key conference championship games this weekend. They will decide the final BCS matchups and bowl invites. There is already plenty of debate over who should and will battle for the National Championship. It’s been a season with copious upsets and seeing one or two this weekend would come as a surprise to no one.

Already we have almost a dozen coaches fired and at least 2 new ones hired. Along with plenty of controversy there too involving discrimination and possible tampering.

So what’s everyone predicting for this week? How’s your team looking? Who’s going to play for and win the title? Let’s get a little banter going.
Personally, I feel the need to root against Missouri in the Big 12 Title game. And against West Virginia in their Big East finale. Of Oklahoma wins it almost ensures that Ohio State will slide into the Title game. This is of no major consequence to me, since I don’t like OSU (or Mizzou and WVU for that matter) but it give my Illini a real chance to get selected as an At-Large BCS team to play in the Rose Bowl. Last time we won the Big Ten we got screwed out of a trip to Pasadena because the Rose Bowl was the Title game and we got dumped into the Sugar Bowl to play a road game to LSU. It would only be just that we get to play in the Rose this year even if it means we have to back in.

As a unrelated side note, I’m surprised that Houston Nutt got fired and even more surprised that he took the Ole Miss job already. I figured he’d have been a very popular candidate for a bunch of high-profile jobs. He seems like he’d have been a great fit at Nebraska based on his style of play.

Go, Hawaii!!!

I’ve been a WVU fan since I was born and am am thrilled at the possibility of playing for the NC. Whether anyone thinks we deserve it or not, or if people like the BCS or not, it doesn’t matter: Those are the rules of the game this year and if we win this weekend, we would have won by the rules and deserve the shot at the title…

I doubt they will get anyone of his calibre. It’s pretty obvious whoever takes it will be a figure head while Osborne runs everything.

I’m all for the Mountaineers this year, they are the least of the evils that could have ended up winning it. I can’t stomach OSU, Mizzou, USC, the Sooners or any of the SEC teams getting into the show. I like watching WVU play, I dig their coach and would love to see Slaton in a Bears uni next season. Plus they have been consistently good-to-great in recent memory. But, if their losing gets Illinois into the Rose Bowl…off with their heads!

I don’t quite see how that’s the case. Nebraska, regardless of how far it’s fallen, is still a better program and job than lowly, pathetic Ole Miss. Houston Nutt is a guy I’ve always liked, but he hasn’t exactly always gotten the most out of his teams. He certainly is no Les Miles, he did get run out of Arkansas after all. If Nutt went to Nebraska he’d have had a entire state to dominate in recruiting and little competition in the Big 12 North. In Ole Miss he has a equal in-state competitor and is going to have the entire SEC to compete with for recruits, especially close neighbors in LSU and Auburn/Alabama.

Osbourne is ancient and has no interest in coaching. I have no doubt that he’ll expect his coach to play classic Nebraska style football, but Osbourne isn’t going out on the recruiting trail or studying film or working the grease board. In Nutt Nebraska would have gotten a guy who knows how to coach up a nasty triple option, zone read-style offense and would have been able to augment their in-state recruits with his strong ties to the Kentucky and Arkansas talent pools.

It’s a real head scratcher.

As a Trojan fan, I’m really looking forward to the Rose Bowl. I believe the most likely scenarios give us either OSU or Georgia, and either one should make for a great game.

It’s either our vaunted (if dinged-up) offense against the great Buckeye D or, better yet, a game against one of the SEC’s best, which should go a long way towards shutting someone up (namely SEC fans :wink: ) when it comes to all the conference-superiority talk.

Is that the conventional wisdom? If either WVU or Missou loses, then OSU plays for the title and the Rose Bowl gets an at-large pick. Is Ill a sure pick, or would it take some work?

I didn’t think Nutt got fired; indeed, it is rumored he was offered an extension from Arkansas and turned it down. My personal opinion is that he had had enough of the situation at Arkansas, and his quick hiring shows to me there were straws in the wind about which he knew… :eek:

You know what sums up just how pathetic the BCS ranking system is?

The Number 1 team in the country is an underdog going into their last game.

That warrants repeating: The Number 1 team in the country is an underdog going into their last game.

Can we get a fucking playoff already? Christ.

The Illini aren’t a sure pick, the Rose Bowl committee gets to choose any eligible team and the Illini should be eligible assuming Tennessee or BC lose. I think there’s some other permutations that could move Illinois into a automatic BCS spot but thats not really necessary so long as the Rose Bowl doesn’t have to bypass a automatic qualifier to choose Illinois. I think the only way the Illini are not eligible is if all the underdogs win their final games and none of the teams currently ahead of them lose, which seems unlikely.

Of course all this assumes that the Rose Bowl’s preference is to have Illinois as the replacement for OSU. That’s a pretty safe assumption both because the Rose Bowl really likes to maintain the Pac-10 v. Big Ten match-up and because Illinois has one of the nations largest fan bases and largest TV markets behind it as well as a long Bowl drought to encourage it’s fans to travel well. I certainly will be looking to book tickets if we get in.

You are right that he wasn’t fired, but it’s safe to say he was run out of town IMO. His relationship with administration, the fans and the boosters was strained to say the least.

I wish I still went to Mizzou.

Division 1-A, bah. Gimme the NCAA Division 1 Football Championship Subdivision any day - the football and the surrounding activities are just as entertaining, but they don’t take over the school like the big-budget people do.

That said, get yer ESPN GamePlan set up for Saturday. Live from Carbondale, home of the SIU Salukis, it’s the UMass Minutemen, on their quest to return to Chattanooga and the title game!

Go! (clap, clap, clap), Go U! (clap, clap, clap), Go U Mass! (clap, clap) Go! U! Mass!

That’s exactly the problem as I see it. Osbourne has no interest in doing the work of a coach, but he wants the glory of being one. As far as I can see he wants it to be made clear that he is Nebraska football again, and I don’t think any top rank coach is going to put up with that.

You still can. Just jump in your jalopy and drive a couple hours west. I’ll jump in mine and go east.

We can meet at Booches (or Harpos) lift a few cold ones and make fun of all of the whiners who are wounded because the BCS system didn’t spit out their team.

Then we can enjoy the best parts of Mizzou life - drinking beer and watching Mizzou kick Choke-la-homas ass up and down the field. The fact that the upcoming lopsided Mizzou victory will spoil things for the already-spoiled fans of Eastern teams is just a bonus.

Here in Spartan Nation we’re probably looking at the Motor City Bowl as it looks like Purdue and Indiana might be picked ahead of us in the process. There are worse fates, certainly having a virtually guaranteed win and being able to pack the house and being the only game at the time and being on ESPN and getting Detroit area recruits in to watch are all pretty big plusses.

The big news down the road in Ann Arbor is that it looks like they’ll be trading in their Carr for one with Les Miles.

I think Mizzou and West Virginia meet in the title game, perhaps adding fuel to the fire for the playoff proponents. I like the 16 team options, all 1A conference champions plus enough at large based on BCS points. If this matchup doesn’t show the need for a playoff, nothing will. Personally, I think Ohio State deserves the top ranking but in the caste system of college football, some teams are eliminated from title consideration with one loss, some take two losses, and some can’t be discounted till their third loss.

I’m pretty excited about Hawaii going to a BCS Bowl, should we beat Washington. After the big Boise State win, this game feels like the hockey game against Finland in 1980. While we should be able to win, the stakes are very high. If we lose, our reward for going 11-1 would put us in the Hawaii Bowl against East Carolina.

That said, I harbor no illusions about our chances if we get LSU in the Sugar Bowl. The programs are at two different levels (Hawaii’s football revenues are 1/7th of LSU’s), and it would be a virtual home game for the Tigers. However, just getting to a big game is pretty heady, and maybe Brennan can engineer a Boise-esque upset.

I’m still mad at our AD for dropping the ball on our schedule with two D-IAA teams, so criticizing our schedule will be preaching to the choir. However, we did try…

Echoing Soapbox Monkey, why, in the name of all things BCS, is #1 Mizzou an underdog to Oklahoma?

I don’t want to completely bog this thread down with BCS bashing and playoff scenarios, but since BobLibDem sort of brought it up I’ll go off on one of my pet tangents.

I’m getting a little sick of the media and pundits screaming about a Playoff system for college football. What no one seems to realize, is that the only person this really benefits is the media. The networks will lose money, the conferences will lose money and fans will have more meaningless games. Essentially it would marginalize all but the biggest 20 programs. Instead of us complaining about the top 2 teams, we’ll be complaining about the top 16.

Everyone also forgets that this obsession, not shared by all, with the “National Champion” is a very recent development. When I was growing up the National Champion was just an unofficial designation that popped up in the newspaper on the Monday after the bowls. It paled in importance compared to the Conference and Bowl champs, and while we usually knew if it was Miami or Nebraska or whomever, we didn’t spend much energy discussing it. At the time we were much more interested in the outcome of the Liberty Bowl featuring the 3rd place Big Ten team than the relative margin of victories for the 'Canes in the Orange Bowl and Penn State in the Sugar.

By having a large playoff field it essentially makes the major bowls even less meaningful than they are now, regardless if you call a semi-final game the “Rose Bowl” it still isn’t. Maintaining the tradition and conference affiliations of the current bowls is of greater importance than deciding which 1 team of the most renowned programs gets a ring. I could give a rats ass if LSU or Auburn or USC get to call themselves champs or not.

My compromise solution is as follows:

All Major BCS conferences must play championship games. The Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 10, ACC, Big East and SEC. These games represent what would be 6 of the “first round” games of the playoff bracket. The remaining conferences such as the Mountain West, Conference USA, WAC, MAC, Sun Belt and D-1A Independents would be slotted into the final 2 games based on whatever criteria is best, record, rankings, BCS-ranking, whatever.

That’s an 8 game, 16-team bracket. It includes the top 2 teams of all the major conferences and gives an equal shot to all the Mid-Majors. I don’t care if 2 Big Ten teams are ranked #1 and #2 or whatever, they play in the first round. To be National Champ you have to beat everyone, so you better win your conference title game if you want to compete.

The Second round is where the current big 4 Bowls come into play. You maintain the traditional conference tie-ins. The Pac-10 and Big Ten Champ play in the Rose Bowl on New Years Day. The ACC and Big East face off in the Orange Bowl. The Big 12 goes to the Fiesta, and the SEC goes to the Sugar Bowl. The Winners of the other two games winners get slotted into the empty spots.

At this point, the losers of the first round games get invited to defacto consolation games in the remaining bowl games. This mitigates the compromise that the Major Conferences are making by having half their teams eliminated in the first series of games. At this point old traditional tie-ins can be maintained, the Big Ten #2 goes to the Capitol One Bowl vs the SEC #2 etc. Also, other bowl eligible teams get selected to the bowls.

Finally, we come to 4 remaining teams who can play in a pair of Semi and Final games to decide who gets the title. The revenues of these 3 games can be distributed in whatever way best appeases the Major Conferences in order to get them to cooperate.

Overall, I think it eliminates any perceived inequities between the conferences with or without title games. Each of those conferences reap the rewards of the additional, nationally televised game. They can rope in sponsorships and decide if they want to have it in neutral sites or not. Should be a nice little cash cow.

A team that then makes it to the championship game would get revenues from not only it’s title game, but also the traditional major Bowl game and then 2 championship playoff games.

For teams in the SEC and Big 12, it only requires them to play 2 additional games, fewer than any other proposal I’ve seen.

The biggest advantage to this system in my view is that it essentially eliminates any and all reason to schedule cupcake non-conference games. Because it would only reward teams for their ranking within their conference, it would encourage teams like OSU, LSU, USC and Texas to schedule high profile early season inter-conference games with minimal risk. They’d be able to capitalize on the revenue these types of regular season games would generate without having to mortgage their changes at a national title.

That sounds like a playoff system to me.

Even 1 extra game would be an improvement. You would have a 4 team playoff then. But it won’t happen because the Rose, Orange, Fiesta and Sugar Bowls pay big bucks to get a rotating championship game.

As a Georgia fan, let me say that I have nothing but respect for the Pac 10. It’s the Big 10 I ridicule.