Actually… yours is not really the response I’d have expected or predicted from Scum.
Care to be more specific?
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@ Story, thanks for your response. I felt your original post was a FOS to a number of players, myself included, based on single posts taken out of context. If we look at each players’ post where they voted, the vote can be interpreted as terrible, weak or content-free. If we look at the cases being built up (over 2/3 days in some cases), I felt this was a misrepresentation of the players’ reasoning behind their votes. I suppose we could say that the vast majority of Day 4 votes were content-free and terrible and so it’s likely that many of the voters are scum but taking USC’s claim along with previous suspicions, not much needed to be said.
I voted you on Day 3 as I felt it was appropriate to follow-up accusations with a vote, especially as I’d previously voted Freudian for a similar reason. As you have responded, I’ll
Unvote Story
while maintaining a healthy suspicion…
On that note, can you explain these snips from your first post toDay (sorry, can’t multiquote):
Based on post 67, the cop only gets alignment - not roles. How could the cop confirm players as non-godfathers if there’s still a godfather out there? This seems like strange advice to be giving our cop but I can’t see a scummy motive…
Vote Count with about 4 days, 2 hours, and 34 minutes to go
(peak vote in parentheses)
It takes 8 votes to start a 12-18 hour countdown.
2 Votes
*Meeko (2 #1036) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1022), Red Skeezix (1036)
1 Vote
storyteller0910 (3 #1031) GuiriEnEspaña (1024 1043), Tom Scud(1028 1039), Meeko (1031)
Tom Scud (1 #1025) storyteller0910 (1025)
Nanook of the North Shore (1 #1029) Alka Seltzer (1029)
0 Votes
Drain Bead
peekercpa
Alka Seltzer
Red Skeezix
MHaye
GuiriEnEspaña
Mental Guy
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
*Lynch Leader
Not voting: Nanook of the North Shore, Drain Bead, peekercpa, MHaye, Mental Guy, Tom Scud, GuiriEnEspaña
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why would you think the gf still wouldn’t be out there?
i mean story’s post was odd but this was odder still.
i am going back.
i don’t know why scum would block and also kill diver. sure he was the doc but still.
there are only a couple of cagey enough fuckers to see through it.
vote mhaye
I’m not parsing your parsing of Guiri’s parsing of story.
Guiri is asking story how a cop who only gets alignments could possibly infer roles or godfatherlyness on any given target. I see no interpretation of what Guiri said that is either an implicit or explicit suggestion that a godfather is not (or no longer) in the game.
if there’s still a godfather out there?
that’s from guiris post.
blink, huh, blink again.
You’re using a different definition of “if.” Try changing the “if” to “when” in your mind, and you’ll see how the rest of us are interpreting that sentence.
1.Or a “terrible vote” could just be what ever you want it to be, especially if you want to smudge someone. I never considered going to a random process for a vote. [Being a one shot vig, notwithstanding.] And I believe that a vote for scum is always a good vote.
2.My history of playing Mafia is short. One thing I recall however, from a different game, was an argument that Scum have to make up reasons to vote town. Scum know that “town” is innocent, and will stop at nothing to make up a ‘convincing’ vote anywhere they can.
This is bad, because it leads to bad votes, and therefore, town lynches.
3.My argument is with you. You defended scum, and I am curious as to how or why town would do that. You mention that you grow tired of rehashing your ‘points’ here. Perhaps that should tell you something about your play, and not everyone else’s.
You are asking me why I didn’t vote people who got rid of the Serial killer? 
Because they got rid of the Serial killer.
I am not sure if we will ever understand each other Skeezix. You are still trying to bait me. Keep trying. Or rather, don’t.
Simply that I noticed what you said here, and that with my one vote, I feel better placing it with Story.
Heh, yeah, that was a definite fail in terms of clear communication. Where I wrote “not Godfather,” I meant to write “not not Godfather” (trying to be cutesy). In other words, the Cop can identify a player as being something other than non-Godfather-Scum. If we can cut down the number of possibilities for the remaining Goon and Role-Blocker by four or more, then we will stand an excellent chance of finding those two players. The Godfather will be a separate worry, of course, but one the Cop can’t help us with anyway.
Then, with all due respect, you haven’t figured out this game yet. Look, maybe this will help you understand my perspective. I hate to keep jumping back to this, but the very first game I ever played here, I was the Mafia Godfather in a very very large game. As the Godfather I could not be Night killed and any investigation on me would yield a Town result. So our team sort of happened upon a simple strategy: we would win if I didn’t get lynched. Period. Full stop. Didn’t matter what else happened. Didn’t matter which other Scum got lynched. If I was not lynched, we could not lose.
You know what I did? I sold out my team-mates every chance I got. I picked one of my team-mates and hounded him into the grave. I picked another one of my team-mates and basically made up a stupid reason to vote for him, then kept voting for him every day. I avoided voting for Townies. Let me emphasize this: most of my votes in that game were for Scum, and few were for Town.
Were my votes “good” votes, by your reckoning?
By the same token, Scum know that “Scum” are guilty, and thus can be assured of casting a wise vote for Scum. You seem to be laboring under the misconception that the primary goal of Scum is to frame Townies. It’s not. That’s only one sub-category of goal - the primary goal of Scum is to get one of their own alive to endgame. Everything else is in service of this.
First of all, for the love of God, I did not “defend” Freudian. I attacked the votes against her, which is a different thing. Second of all, if you read through the history of games, you will find many, many, MANY instances where Town “defends” Scum, Meeko. You know why they do it? Can you guess?
BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW WHO IS SCUM.
It tells me that I keep playing with different people. But thanks for the implied insult. There’s really no need to get personal like that; note that I have refrained from doing so with you even though your communication style can be difficult to pierce.
That’s incredibly unwise. The Scum didn’t know we were getting rid of the Serial Killer, Meeko. Even if they did, they would have supported the lynch, since lynching the SK is a great thing for the Scum - it amounts to a mislynch, and it takes care of some ugly business on their behalf.
But OK, then, how about this: why didn’t you vote the people who switched votes from Freudian to Diggit, resulting in the lynch of the latter (Town) instead of the former (Scum) on Day Two?
We can both agree that we each have different ways to figure out Mafia. I’m not sure how my answers will stand up to your quesitons in light of that.
It seems like we are both implying things here. If that’s how you feel about me, why would I want to engage you further?
I can only imagine this line will continue until you ask me for every vote I make, or don’t make, and from there every comment I make, I don’t see it ending.
Vote Count with about 3 days, 7 hours, and 49 minutes to go
(peak vote in parentheses)
It takes 8 votes to start a 12-18 hour countdown.
2 Votes
*Meeko (2 #1036) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1022), Red Skeezix (1036)
1 Vote
storyteller0910 (3 #1031) GuiriEnEspaña (1024 1043), Tom Scud(1028 1039), Meeko (1031)
Tom Scud (1 #1025) storyteller0910 (1025)
Nanook of the North Shore (1 #1029) Alka Seltzer (1029)
MHaye (1 #1046) peekercpa (1046)
0 Votes
Drain Bead
peekercpa
Alka Seltzer
Red Skeezix
GuiriEnEspaña
Mental Guy
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
*Lynch Leader
Not voting: Nanook of the North Shore, Drain Bead, MHaye, Mental Guy, Tom Scud, GuiriEnEspaña
Wow, I come home from a funeral expecting to have to catch up with the game and find that no players have posted today.
Of the players that have not received votes against them today, I have not found any of them extremely suspicious (I had some suspicion of Cookies just based on playstyle, but nothing to the degree I saw with Freudian).
I have not really found MHaye scummy and peeker’s case against him seems to be that he is “too town”, which is not really a reason I like to vote someone. If peeker is seeing a significant difference in playstyle, then I can at least see a justification for the vote, but I haven’t seen enough to make me place a vote on him.
I, too, was a bit puzzled by Alka Seltzer’s vote for Nanook, but then I started wondering what we should do about non-participants. If we mislynch someone else, then we are allowing the scum to control the vote even sooner. On the other hand, lynching a nonparticipant seems a waste since you don’t gain a lot of information. I would like to hear from the other players, especially the more experienced ones what you think we should do about nonparticipants, since they are no longer going to be replaced or removed. Alka could be looking to place an easy vote as scum, but that is about the only thing that I have found scummy about him. I did find his set of questions a bit odd, but did not really see any scum motivation there.
I can certainly see the reason players would have for voting Meeko. I agree that his voting this game has been undermotivated and looks as if he may have been trying to protect Freudian. I feel his vote toDay against story is the best defended one so far, but I don’t really buy into his arguments and his last post which essentially cuts off argument does not look good at all. Right now, he is my second choice for a vote toDay.
No one but Meeko is currently holding on to the case against story, but I think there could possibly be some validity to it. He didn’t give an all out defense of Freudian, but by condemning many of the votes as “bad votes” he essentially accomplishes the same thing. And while he is correct that he did not misrepresent the actual vote posts from the players, I think it was fairly obvious that some of them needed to be considered in the context of what they had said before. Also, story is one of those players that is automatically suspicious simply by surviving to Day 5. Scum do not usually see the need to get rid of a player like me, but they do story. Mitigating that some this time is the fact that he has not been around as much, so the scum may not have seen him as much of a threat. All that being said, while I can understand the suspicion on story, he only ranks about third or fourth in suspicion to me.
My vote for now is going to Tom Scud. I read story’s case and found it fairly convincing, but I also know that I sometimes buy into cases other players make a bit too easily. I went back and reviewed all of TS’s posts. I noticed on Day 1, when Freudian was making mistakes because of skimming, he was the one pointing her in the right direction. In hindsight, it looks as if the one scum was trying to get the other one back on track. Of course at the time, it just looked like a player being helpful. After a couple of Days, though, it looks like he may have reluctantly decided he didn’t have a choice but to bus her. So, for his behavior on Day 1, along with his subsequent voting pattern regarding Freudian, I am going to
**
Vote Tom Scud**
The game is getting stagnant again, and that favours the scum team.
Nanook is a real problem. I’m assuming that his absence is down to non-game reasons, but there seems little chance he will return now. It really sucks if he is town, especially if he is a power role, but I think we have little option but to lynch him. If he is scum, they win if we do nothing about him, and that isn’t a game, it’s a farce.
I think we have two options. Lynch him toDay (better to do it now, as the night actions will give us more information to make an informed decision on the lynch tomorrow), or wait until a mass claim. There is a significant chance that Nanook could be the Cop or Town Blocker. If we complete a mass claim and one of these roles is missing then we know it’s Nanook and we can leave him alive. Otherwise, we lynch him (this plan prevents scum fake-claiming Cop or Town Blocker if they are late in the claim order).
I don’t think we should mass claim toDay, but we should re-assess toMorrow.
If you think we have any other options regarding Nanook please state them now, and if not say whether you’d like to lynch him now or after a mass claim.
Anyway, my next post will address the actual game.
I had assumed that Nanook would be modkilled if he did not participate, but looking back over the thread it appears that Ed has said (#601) that this will not be the case.
That’s a problem. We will have to lynch him. Even if he’s the Cop or the Role-Blocker, the Scum won’t kill him - a Cop who isn’t posting also (probably) isn’t submitting investigations, so he’s not much use and no threat to the Scum.
That said, I don’t see a reason to do it toDay. We know he’s out there; let’s see how things play out.
Ed mentioned waay back in 67 that he would sub for the first 2 days and probably do nothing afterwards.
Analysis post work in progress atm.
@Storyteller, Tom - I want a response to my idea of a mass claim to decide what to do about Nanook please. As far as I can see, it’s the only way of avoiding a Nanook mis-lynch if he is town.
Mods: A few questions. What happens if a Cop or Town Blocker does not submit a night action? Does nothing happen or is a random action carried out? Also, how does it work on the scum boards? Does the Scum Blocker or designated killer have to submit the action themselves, or can another scum player submit their action for them?
I am opposed to a mass claim at the moment. More precisely, I am opposed to a mass claim unless it is led by the power roles themselves. We should not be forcing the hand of either of our living power roles, even if we think it would be advantageous for them to claim. If our Cop currently has no usable results whatsoever (ie, all his/her investigation targets have ended up dead or something like that), then by claiming (s)he basically becomes vanilla. Figuring out what to do with Nanook can wait.
I hate to say “me too”, but me too. In addition to what story says about the cop, the roleblocker is the only player with a chance of mechanically identifying the scum alpha.